In this episode Will speaks with Jeff Holloway, a veteran social worker and therapeutic consultant from Lumos Strategies with decades of experience in therapeutic programs for youth. Jeff shares his decades-long journey through the evolving landscape of outdoor behavioral healthcare, from his early days working in residential care to helping launch the trauma-informed wilderness therapy program First Light. Drawing from his time in roles ranging from foster care to executive leadership, Jeff reflects on how outdoor programs have shifted from rigid models to more relational, integrative approaches that prioritize safety, engagement, and connection—especially for boys. He discusses how therapeutic breakthroughs often happen not in an office, but during moments like catching crawdads in a creek or pitching a tent in the rain. With warmth and wisdom, Jeff explains why wilderness therapy—done ethically and thoughtfully—still holds powerful potential to build resilience in young people and restore meaningful family connection.

Jeff Holloway's consulting practice can be found at - https://lumosstrategies.com/

Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.