Pastor, author and bartender, Abby Norman, shares Joey’s zeal for loving people right where they're at, both seeing the Christian faith through more progressive lenses and are in fellowship with (and in shepherding roles with) those who are more conservative.

Abby shares some of her experiences in life, including the story that led to her writing, “You Can Talk to God Like That: The Power of Lament to Save Your Faith.”   She shares the time when she grasped God's acceptance of the emotion of anger, even when directed at Him; and how this realization sealed the deal  in her being a Christian from that point on.  Joey shares how his current positioning in ministry is a more unique space than what his involvement was in the BadChristian Podcast. 

At top of episode, Jack, Ellen and Joey talk deconstruction.  Jack used to be a Calvinist and Ellen is in an uncomfortable season of rethinking the bible.  Joey wonders if the influx of progressive Christian faith may be the beginning of a new reformation.  Jack says “hell no” (my words, not his) to that theory.  

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