Jasmine Rae caps off her release week by joining me to discuss Taking the Long Way, the 2006 album that saw The Chicks rising from the ashes of controversy and persecution to create one of their best records. We dig into the album's backstory, frontwoman Natalie Maines taking a leading role in the band's songwriting for the first time, parallels to their new album 'Gaslighter', the rock'n'roll collaborators who joined the band on this album, their decision to make the lyrics explicitly personal and specific in a way they never had on previous records and more. Plus, we discuss what it's like to launch a new record (and play shows) in the midst of the pandemic in Australia, and the precarious nature of planning anything.