In today's episode, I'm thrilled to sit down with my long-time friend Alex Hutchinson, New York Times best-selling author of "Endure" and his new book "The Explorer's Gene." We dive into the courage it takes to explore new creative paths rather than getting typecast by your past successes, and Alex shares how his unplanned writing journey led to his most powerful work.

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Alex Hutchinson is the New York Times bestselling author of Endure, a longtime columnist for Outside covering the science of endurance, and a National Magazine Award–winning journalist who has contributed to the New York Times, The New Yorker, and other publications. A former long-distance runner for the Canadian national team, he holds a master’s in journalism from Columbia and a Ph.D. in physics from Cambridge, and he did his post-doctoral research with the National Security Agency. 

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Timestamps

0:00 Alex Hutchinson Introduction

1:28 Discussing Alex's books, including "Endure" and "The Explorer's Gene"

3:12 The evolution of book writing toward self-development and life design

4:25 What exploration really means beyond physical travel

5:06 The dilemma of being typecast after success

6:18 The explore-exploit dilemma: balancing new ventures vs. known success

7:49 "It just didn't seem fun to me" - Making career choices based on enjoyment

8:50 The challenge of crossing between different professional worlds

10:47 How John and Alex first met through a cold email

14:00 The challenges of writing: structure vs. crafting sentences

17:33 How the interludes in "Endure" evolved organically

20:37 The choice not to track book sales and analytics

21:23 Injecting personal experience into writing in the age of AI

24:32 Writing with "your cup half full" to prepare for life's challenges

28:57 - Introduction to the Wundt curve concept