AI is changing more than just productivity. It's changing what we can trust. In this episode, Kevin Tian, Co-founder and CEO of Doppel, breaks down how AI is enabling a new wave of social engineering attacks—from deepfake phone calls to impersonation across LinkedIn, YouTube, and search engines. The reality is this:Deepfakes are just one part of a much bigger problem.

Attackers are now operating across multiple channels at once, using AI to manipulate people, not just systems. And as these attacks scale, the real risk isn't just fraud or data loss—it's the erosion of trust in everything we see online. Kevin explains how Doppel is building an AI-native defense platform to detect, map, and shut down these attacks in real time, and why the future of cybersecurity will be defined by AI vs AI. If you're thinking about AI, security, or the future of trust online—this conversation is essential.

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(00:00) AI Deepfakes & The Collapse of Trust (01:56) Why "Social Engineering" Is Bigger Than Phishing(05:20) Deepfakes, Misinformation & Multi-Channel Attacks(09:16) The Rise of Deepfake Phone Calls(12:43) How Attackers Manipulate AI & Search Results(14:39) The Origin Story Behind Doppel(18:55) How Doppel Detects & Stops Attacks in Real Time(22:55) Can Attackers Misuse AI Defense Tools?(24:26) How to Tell What's Real vs Fake Online(28:20) What Is Human Risk Management?(30:36) AI vs AI: The Future of Cyber Defense(34:04) What CEOs Must Do About AI Threats(37:18) Working with Platforms Like YouTube & LinkedIn(39:52) Can We Ever Fully Stop Deepfakes?(44:40) How Doppel Works for Enterprises