Multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, producer and one of the best drummers of her generation Stella Mozgawa joins me for a look at the legendary Brian Eno's final 70s pop masterpiece (before his turn into ambient music) Before and After Science. We delve into the most interesting man in rock's creative process, how he used the studio as his instrument and enlisted collaborators from Robert Fripp to Phil Collins (and we defend Phil's legacy), why it's a good thing that Eno has kept his archival vaults locked, how Warpaint have used Eno's Oblique Strategies cards in the studio, and why you should always turn down dinner invitations from an EGOT.