On the eve of the fifth anniversary of Leonard Cohen's passing, I'm joined by NYU Professor Marcia Pally to unpack the themes of her new book From This Broken Hill I Sing to You: God, Sex and Politics. We talk about how Cohen saw the world as being made up of inescapable relationships, to God and one another, the playfulness and profundity of Everybody Knows and how it interweaves the personal, political and spiritual, how non-believers can connect with Cohen works, how he questions instead of preaching, why do humans have a capacity for betrayal, how Cohen struggled with his commitment to God towards the end and how this is reflected in his final album You Want It Darker.