IU football just went from “pinch me” to “prove it.” Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth sit down with Galen Clavio to unpack the Hoosiers’ rapid rise—how it happened, what it means, and how a long-suffering fanbase should handle success. Then we zoom out: the decades-old cultural tug-of-war between the North and South and how it fuels the Big Ten vs. SEC battle for the soul of college football.

What you’ll hear

“Was it real?”—reliving last season and why fans should savor this run, not fear it.

How IU’s surge compressed the “honeymoon” timeline and turbocharged recruiting in Year 2.

The North vs. South culture clash: narratives, talent pipelines, and why media/TV incentives shape the conversation.

Chapters (approx.)

00:00 Cold open

11:30 “Was it real?” + savoring the moment

23:45 Recruiting & the accelerated timeline

49:50 Big Ten vs. SEC culture war

1:19:05 TV money, media narratives, and power dynamics

About the show

Hosted by Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth, X’s & Joe’s blends data, history, and a little Hoosier heart. Today’s guest: Galen Clavio.

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