Today's episode includes a sit down with our good friend Mary Wilcher.

Mary Wilcher is the VP of Production and Development at Figure 8 Films in Carrboro, NC where she lives with her wife and 2 kids. Having grown up in West Virginia and ultimately settling in North Carolina after stints in Los Angeles and Atlanta, Mary shares her experiences of sharing a marriage and family with another woman in the South. We discuss coming out of the closet, the difference between southern cities vs. rural areas, and how draconian parental rights laws affected her family directly. A moment that should have been sacred to her family became a reminder of how backwards things are. It is a story that sincerely and deeply affected all three of us. We hope you like it.

Also we discuss how reality TV changed the game, drugs, and the Kings of Leon selling out.