Today the spellbinding Emily Wurramurra joins me to discuss Cleo Sol's dynamic 2023 album 'Gold'. We talk about how she discovered and fell in love with Cleo's music, how Cleo builds community and connection through her music, the genuine hope and optimism in this album vs the toxic positivity of soical media, relating to the album's religious themes as a non-religious person, how Emily surrounds her daughter with music that will inspire her, the music she starts the day with, standing up for the power of art, "fucking shit up in a loving way" and more.