Ben and Chris chat with Ren Navarro, the founder of Beer. Diversity. about the Craft Brewers Association, equity, diversity, and inclusion in beer, and the definition of “craft” (again, sorry). Plus we debate the merits of watching the world burn and Ben eats a burrito mid-podcast!

Mentioned on this episode:

- The Hundred Year-Old-Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared by Jonas Jonasson