Today I catch up with Susan Brown. We recently heard Susan’s story—a woman serving life without parole for the murder of her former husband, a man she says attacked her. In what she describes as an act of self-defence, she stabbed him, inflicting injuries that would later prove fatal.

Since airing her episode, I’ve received a flood of messages, and there’s been plenty of discussion in the Facebook group about Susan’s case. Many listeners have connected with her—drawn to her perspective, resilience, and honesty about her situation. Susan has been remarkably open, not only about the events that led to her incarceration, but also about daily life inside the Michigan Department of Corrections.

So I arranged another conversation with her to explore just that—what life is really like for a woman in prison. As fate would have it, when she called, her facility was making national headlines across the U.S.—for all the wrong reasons.

In this episode, Susan and I discuss, as openly as we can with our conversation being monitored, the current lawsuit involving her facility, and what her day-to-day reality looks like behind prison walls.

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