As a child, did you ever have a conversation that went as follows:"When I grow up, I want to have a million cats""Well I'm gonna have a billion billion cats""Oh yeah? I'm gonna have infinity cats""Then I'm gonna have infinity plus one cats""That's nothing. I'm gonna have infinity infinity cats""I'm gonna have infinity infinity infinity infinity *gasp* infinity so many infinities that there are infinity infinities plus one cats"What if I told you that you were dabbling in the transfinite ordinal numbers? So what are ordinal numbers? What does "transfinite" mean? And what does it mean to have a number one larger than another infinite number? [Featuring: Sofía Baca; Diane Baca]Ways to support the show:<a href="http://www.patreon.com/breakingmath">Patreon</a>Become a monthly supporter at <a href="http://www.patreon.com/breakingmath">patreon.com/breakingmath</a>This episode is released under a Creative Commons attribution sharealike 4.0 international license. For more information, go to CreativeCommoms.orgThis episode features the song "Buffering" by "Quiet Music for Tiny Robots"

As a child, did you ever have a conversation that went as follows: "When I grow up, I want to have a million cats" "Well I'm gonna have a billion billion cats" "Oh yeah? I'm gonna have infinity cats" "Then I'm gonna have infinity plus one cats" "That's nothing. I'm gonna have infinity infinity cats" "I'm gonna have infinity infinity infinity infinity *gasp* infinity so many infinities that there are infinity infinities plus one cats" What if I told you that you were dabbling in the transfinite ordinal numbers? So what are ordinal numbers? What does "transfinite" mean? And what does it mean to have a number one larger than another infinite number? [Featuring: Sofía Baca; Diane Baca] Ways to support the show: Patreon Become a monthly supporter at patreon.com/breakingmath This episode is released under a Creative Commons attribution sharealike 4.0 international license. For more information, go to CreativeCommoms.org This episode features the song "Buffering" by "Quiet Music for Tiny Robots"

As a child, did you ever have a conversation that went as follows:"When I grow up, I want to have a million cats""Well I'm gonna have a billion billion cats""Oh yeah? I'm gonna have infinity cats""Then I'm gonna have infinity plus one cats""That's nothing. I'm gonna have infinity infinity cats""I'm gonna have infinity infinity infinity infinity *gasp* infinity so many infinities that there are infinity infinities plus one cats"What if I told you that you were dabbling in the transfinite ordinal numbers? So what are ordinal numbers? What does "transfinite" mean? And what does it mean to have a number one larger than another infinite number? [Featuring: Sofía Baca; Diane Baca]Ways to support the show:<a href="http://www.patreon.com/breakingmath" rel="noopener noreferrer">Patreon</a>Become a monthly supporter at <a href="http://www.patreon.com/breakingmath" rel="noopener noreferrer">patreon.com/breakingmath</a>This episode is released under a Creative Commons attribution sharealike 4.0 international license. For more information, go to CreativeCommoms.orgThis episode features the song "Buffering" by "Quiet Music for Tiny Robots"

55: Order in the Court (Transfinite Ordinal Numbers)

Breaking Math is a deep-dive science, technology, engineering, AI, and mathematics podcast that explores the world through the lens of logic, patterns, and critical thinking. Hosted by Autumn Phaneuf, an expert in industrial engineering, operations research and applied mathematics, and Gabriel Hesch, an electrical engineer (host from 2016-2024) with a passion for mathematical clarity, the show is dedicated to uncovering the mathematical structures behind science, engineering, technology, and the systems that shape our future.What began as a conversation about math as a pure and elegant discipline has evolved into a platform for bold, interdisciplinary dialogue. Each episode of Breaking Math takes listeners on an intellectual journey—whether it’s into the strange beauty of chaos theory, the ethical dilemmas of AI, the deep structures of biological evolution, or the thermodynamics of black holes. Along the way, Autumn and Gabriel interview leading thinkers and working scientists from across the spectrum: computer scientists, quantum physicists, chemists, philosophers, neuroscientists, and more.But this isn’t just a podcast about equations—it’s a show about how mathematics influences the way we think, create, build, and understand. Breaking Math pushes back against the idea that STEM belongs behind a paywall or an academic podium. It’s for the curious, the critical, the creative—for anyone who believes that ideas should be rigorous, accessible, and infused with wonder.If you've ever wondered:<ul> <li>What’s the math behind machine learning?</li> <li>How do we quantify uncertainty in climate models?</li> <li>Can consciousness be described in AI?</li> <li>Why does beauty matter in an equation?</li></ul>Then you’re in the right place.At its heart, Breaking Math is about building bridges—between disciplines, between experts and the public, and between the abstract world of mathematics and the messy, magnificent reality we live in. With humor, clarity, and deep respect for complexity, Autumn and Gabriel invite you to rethink what math can be—and how it can help us shape a better future.Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Website: <a href="https://breakingmath.io/">https://breakingmath.io</a> Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/breakingmathmedia">https://linktr.ee/breakingmathmedia</a> Email: breakingmathpodcast@gmail.com

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Breaking Math is a deep-dive science, technology, engineering, AI, and mathematics podcast that explores the world through the lens of logic, patterns, and critical thinking. Hosted by Autumn Phaneuf, an expert in industrial engineering, operations research and applied mathematics, and Gabriel Hesch, an electrical engineer (host from 2016-2024) with a passion for mathematical clarity, the show is dedicated to uncovering the mathematical structures behind science, engineering, technology, and the systems that shape our future. What began as a conversation about math as a pure and elegant discipline has evolved into a platform for bold, interdisciplinary dialogue. Each episode of Breaking Math takes listeners on an intellectual journey—whether it’s into the strange beauty of chaos theory, the ethical dilemmas of AI, the deep structures of biological evolution, or the thermodynamics of black holes. Along the way, Autumn and Gabriel interview leading thinkers and working scientists from across the spectrum: computer scientists, quantum physicists, chemists, philosophers, neuroscientists, and more. But this isn’t just a podcast about equations—it’s a show about how mathematics influences the way we think, create, build, and understand. Breaking Math pushes back against the idea that STEM belongs behind a paywall or an academic podium. It’s for the curious, the critical, the creative—for anyone who believes that ideas should be rigorous, accessible, and infused with wonder. If you've ever wondered: What’s the math behind machine learning? How do we quantify uncertainty in climate models? Can consciousness be described in AI? Why does beauty matter in an equation?Then you’re in the right place. At its heart, Breaking Math is about building bridges—between disciplines, between experts and the public, and between the abstract world of mathematics and the messy, magnificent reality we live in. With humor, clarity, and deep respect for complexity, Autumn and Gabriel invite you to rethink what math can be—and how it can help us shape a better future. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Website: https://breakingmath.io Linktree: https://linktr.ee/breakingmathmedia Email: breakingmathpodcast@gmail.com

Breaking Math is a deep-dive science, technology, engineering, AI, and mathematics podcast that explores the world through the lens of logic, patterns, and critical thinking. Hosted by Autumn Phaneuf, an expert in industrial engineering, operations research and applied mathematics, and Gabriel Hesch, an electrical engineer (host from 2016-2024) with a passion for mathematical clarity, the show is dedicated to uncovering the mathematical structures behind science, engineering, technology, and the systems that shape our future.What began as a conversation about math as a pure and elegant discipline has evolved into a platform for bold, interdisciplinary dialogue. Each episode of Breaking Math takes listeners on an intellectual journey—whether it’s into the strange beauty of chaos theory, the ethical dilemmas of AI, the deep structures of biological evolution, or the thermodynamics of black holes. Along the way, Autumn and Gabriel interview leading thinkers and working scientists from across the spectrum: computer scientists, quantum physicists, chemists, philosophers, neuroscientists, and more.But this isn’t just a podcast about equations—it’s a show about how mathematics influences the way we think, create, build, and understand. Breaking Math pushes back against the idea that STEM belongs behind a paywall or an academic podium. It’s for the curious, the critical, the creative—for anyone who believes that ideas should be rigorous, accessible, and infused with wonder.If you've ever wondered:<ul> <li>What’s the math behind machine learning?</li> <li>How do we quantify uncertainty in climate models?</li> <li>Can consciousness be described in AI?</li> <li>Why does beauty matter in an equation?</li></ul>Then you’re in the right place.At its heart, Breaking Math is about building bridges—between disciplines, between experts and the public, and between the abstract world of mathematics and the messy, magnificent reality we live in. With humor, clarity, and deep respect for complexity, Autumn and Gabriel invite you to rethink what math can be—and how it can help us shape a better future.Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Website: <a href="https://breakingmath.io/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://breakingmath.io</a> Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/breakingmathmedia" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://linktr.ee/breakingmathmedia</a> Email: breakingmathpodcast@gmail.com

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