In this episode of the Books of Some Substance podcast, Nick is joined by Steve Von Till of the seminal metal band Neurosis for a conversation about Ted Hughes' Crow: From the Life and Songs of the Crow. Von Till's prolific career now includes his latest solo record, No Wilderness Deep Enough, and his first published book of poems, Harvestman: 23 Untitled Poems and Collected Lyrics, both of which provide ample material for discussing his approach to songwriting, lyrics, poetry, and their endless overlaps. Naturally, references to the film The Crow are made and Nick predictably (and repeatedly) confesses that he likes things with a dark tone.

Grab some Hughes, some Neurosis, Von Till's new solo record and/or poetry collection, and settle in for a relaxing discussion of language, art, and the subtleties of everything in between.