There are so many notable parts of this episode with Tyson Yunkaporta that, true to the title of this extract, invite you to come sit with us for the hour and a bit of the main episode (and the extra if you'd like more). But having said that, this is another little extract I did want to highlight. It’s our foundational exchange early in the piece on long-form podcasting being the new camp fire.

Particularly in the absence of being around a real fire for much of this year, I like Tyson’s articulation of this frame. And his subsequent reflection on what this says about our allegedly shrinking attention spans.

Title slide: Tyson with his daughter at the launch of Sand Talk (supplied – full pic is on the web page of the main episode, linked below).

You can hear the rest of our conversation on the main episode 70, ‘Sand Talk: Indigenous thinking, saving the world & living creation’.

You’ll find a series of links in the show notes of the main episode too, including to an extra with Tyson. There are a series of photos on the main episode page too.

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