This is an extract of my conversation with Tyson Yunkaporta from the end of episode 70, ‘Sand Talk: Indigenous thinking, saving the world & living creation’. It starts with me suggesting to Tyson, in the wake of our conversation to this point, that a particular tale in his book might offer us a touchstone for our yarn. It turns out he’d never been asked about this part of his book before, but I’d noted it’s something he thinks about every day. The minutes that ensued have stayed with me since – and Tyson too, I’ve been humbled to learn.

And they run here into an awesome story surrounding his choice of music. While, in a way, it’s tough to take this out of the ‘camp fire’ context of our conversation, this sequence might not just offer a touchstone for this yarn, but in many ways for the podcast as a whole.

Title slide: Oldman Juma, in a photo from the launch of Sand Talk. Tyson and his young daughter also appear in this photo, which you can find in full on the main episode page below (pic supplied by Tyson).

You can hear the rest of our conversation on the main episode 70, ‘Sand Talk: Indigenous thinking, saving the world & living creation’. 

You’ll find a series of links in the show notes of the main episode too, including to an extra with Tyson, and there's a series of photos on the website too.

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Pre-roll music: Heartland Rebel, by Steven Beddall (sourced from Artlist).

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