The Shift from Certainty to Nuance

We’ve all heard the saying: facts don’t change minds. But new research challenges that idea.

In this episode, David talks with social scientist Nick Stagnaro about what happens when people dive deep into the facts on divisive issues like gun control. The findings? Knowledge can soften extreme positions—shifting people toward a more nuanced middle ground.

But here’s the catch: while attitudes toward policies change, feelings toward people on the “other side” often don’t. That puzzle drives Nick’s research into belief change, polarization, and how credibility, trust, and even AI-driven debates might help bridge divides.

Listen in to explore how facts can move us—and where they fall short.

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