Susannah Black Roberts speaks with Stephanie Summers about how political opponents can disagree well. Stephanie is the head of the Center for Public Justice (CJP), a DC-based group that works with faith organizations and other organizations, as well as with Congress, to help craft a public culture and political culture that supports the Kuyperian idea of principled pluralism.

We don’t all agree on issues of religious and moral import – is there a way that we can nevertheless work together on things where we do agree, and can we provide protections for all organizations to live out their idea of the good life, and in particular their faith commitments, well?

Stephanie describes her approach to conversation and disagreement, and gives several case studies regarding the work that the CPJ has done over the past several years, most notably in light of the Dobbs decision.

Susannah and Stephanie also discuss what happens when you reach the limits of pluralism: is there room for actually seeking common justice, justice that we can all agree on despite our differing commitments?