Musician Ned Russin of Title Fight and Glitterer joins the podcast to share his love for Ben Lerner's Leaving the Atocha Station and to also chat about his own latest creations: Glitterer's new record Life Is Not a Lesson and his first published novel Horizontal Rust. It's an all-encompassing conversation on experience, reality, and authenticity — all topics that get more elusive the more one tries to pin them down. In other words: the best kind of topics.

Life Is Not a Lesson is available now from ANTI- Records and Horizontal Rust is available now from Shining Life Press.