What If Inclusion, Not Normalization, Was the Goal?

Too often, conversations about autism happen without autistic voices at the table. In this episode, we talk with Ari Ne’eman, Assistant Professor at Harvard and co-founder of the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network, about the real divides in autism advocacy and what a better path forward could look like.

Ari brings both lived experience and policy expertise, with service under multiple U.S. administrations, to examine how public policy shapes autism services, support, and the future of neurodiversity.

This conversation challenges common assumptions and points toward values-driven autism advocacy—centered on communication, inclusion, and real quality of life.

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