Stephanie talks to Antonia Scatton, author of the podcast Reframing America and protege of George Lakoff who talks about making sure our messaging is on our terms, in our language. She says, "Fact-checking and debunking myths almost always spreads the disinformation we are trying to defeat. They trick us into delivering their messages beyond their media bubble." We discuss word associations, rebranding the Democratic party, and much more.

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