This week Jen is joined by Jim Kessler from Third Way

They discuss the current state of the Democratic Party, focusing on Biden's ideological journey, the importance of effective messaging, and the role of local leaders in engaging voters. He emphasizes the need for Democrats to listen to constituents, balance positive and negative messaging, and address pressing issues like education and immigration. Jim also highlights the disparities between red and blue states and the importance of communication in shaping public perception. He concludes with thoughts on the future of the Democratic Party and the need for a more proactive approach to governance.