This week, Joe Thomlinson joins me, Patrick, to talk about four of the Prem's traditional powers: Man City, Man United, Chelsea, and Tottenham. All four have endured difficult starts to the season, are bedding in new players, and awaiting the arrival of others, but just how worried should we be by their results to date? Joe and I discuss City's weird squad, United's disappearing defence, Frank Lampard's tinkering, and the early arrival of third-season Mourinho in an attempt to get to the bottom of things.

Then Joe has opinions about the handball situation in One Thing We Learned.