This episode features a conversation between host Jerry Ratcliffe and Police Chief Rich Johnston of the Barrie Police Service in Canada. Chief Johnston, a proponent of evidence-based policing, discusses how this approach has influenced his career and the importance of future police chiefs adopting it. Johnston, who has been a police officer since 1997, has served in various roles within the Barrie Police Service and is recognized for his leadership and contributions to evidence-based policing. He holds a bachelor's degree in philosophy and two master's degrees, including one from the University of Cambridge. The conversation touches on the differences between Canadian and US policing, with Johnston noting that Canadian policing tends to have a broader public safety focus compared to the more law enforcement-centric approach in the US. Johnston also shares insights on the challenges and benefits of implementing evidence-based practices within his department, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and critical thinking in policing. The episode concludes with a discussion on the significance of visibility in policing and the impact of evidence-based strategies on community trust and safety.