Steven and Erika are joined by a couch interloper! Annette Wierstra provides a slightly new-Whoish perspective on this, the origin of the Cybermen. We also chat about the series 10 finale and the trailer for the 2017 Christmas special.

It’s a truly momentous episode. We have completed the William Hartnell era, and the timing is perfect to tie in with the current series. Just…wow.

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Erika Ensign and Steven Schapansky with Annette Wierstra

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