Finally we get to talk about music, that Cooper has always wanted to Have Words about. And Cary has resisted. Until now.

In the first of two episodes, Cooper and Cary play Desert Island Discs. This time, Cary picks out ten tracks that are significant in his life which may explain why he is such a contrarian.

Here is James's list on Spotify and Apple Music.

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