On this episode of First Fuel we bring you a chat between Luke and Dr. Saul Griffith, co-founder of Rewiring America and Rewiring Australia, recorded last week in Perth at the Australian Institute of Energy's Energy in WA Conference.

In it, Saul shares some personal reflections on the huge challenge the Trump Administration is posing for the climate action in the US. He then explains why, despite these headwinds, the economics of electrification are inexorable, and sets out the huge opportunity Australia has to harness our renewable resources to help decarbonise global supply chains and become a clean industrial powerhouse.

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