Ben welcomes guest co-host Christ Schryer to chat with Richard Preiss, cofounder of Escarpment Labs, to talk about harvesting yeast from a wasp’s guts, ice machine drains, and their merger with Le Labo Solutions Brassicole to become Canada's Big Yeast. Plus fun facts about Wayne Gretzky, how to make your taproom more profitable, and why lambic romanticism has faded and nobody is using their stupid coolships any more.