"Please tell them I am not a professonal counselor; I am a person with a caring heart and a listening ear." The world needs more such people to help those who have been shattered by the broken Creation. That's how Joni Menard decribed herself when Wayne asked if she could help someone. What a great description of a pastoral heart, in the best sense of the word! When he arrived in Edmond, OK, this week, Wayne sat down with Joni to discuss how each of us can provide a safe place for people to explore their pain with God.

Podcast Notes:

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A Hidden Wholeness by Parker Palmer

The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk

Brene Brown cartoon on empathy

Past Podcasts with Joni

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