John Palmer, the younger brother of Loring, came to San Francisco at his brother's insistence to enjoy the psychedelic scene at its very beginnings. This almost four hour podcast is his shaggy dog story filled with highs, dealing, women, children, wandering, and arrests and incarceration. He's been on a lot of trips but the one that's stayed with him the longest is zazen - and the memory of Shunryu Suzuki saying to treat ones thoughts as clouds in the sky and let them pass.