Erica and Kimi are joined by Dan Shaw, a psychoanalyst who specializes in counseling former members of cultic groups and friends and family of members who are involved in cults.

Cult leaders are characterized by charisma, narcissism, and gaping childhood wounds, according to Dan. He explains how they manipulate highly educated and well-intentioned people to join them. Erica shares her own experience of leaving a cultic group in her twenties and how she reclaimed her power.

Dan, Kimi, and Erica end by discussing America's fascination with cults and the lessons we can learn from cult survivors.

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