Kimi and Erica discuss last week's episode with Haley Holm, a veteran air force pilot and transgender woman who bravely shared her story for the first time on All The Wiser.

Erica reflects on the pain of hiding one's true self and the accompanying feelings of guilt and shame. Kimi shares some behind-the-scenes moments from the day she and Haley met to record the conversation.

Haley's story and sharing served as a reminder of one of our greatest intentions for this show, to hold space for one another's stories and witness their humanity.

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