In this episode Dai will be sharing his journey on becoming an animator and musician, two of the passions he juggled daily. Our conversation was full of laughs when he shared that he didn't even know how to balance between being an animator and a musician, he just have to do it with a strong sense of motivation, good health, and positive mindset contradicting to an advice he once heard to not juggle two careers at the same time. His love for music and animations reflected once we talked about Rebelsuns (His band), Pixar, and of course the progress of Indonesia's animation industry. "Fake it till you make it" was his go to phrase to keep his self - confidence, positive mindset, and push through every struggle to achieve his future goals.