Todd Brown is the CEO of Brown Church Development Group, a national church design/build firm. In this three-part podcast series, we will look at the components of a church master plan. We will also get a high-level overview of the master plan. In this second part, we talk with Todd about what it means to right-size your church.

 	

 	What areas of a church always need to be right-sized?




 	

 	What is a "ministry adjacency?"




 	

 	You refer to placing ministries in the church locations as akin to putting puzzle pieces together. Explain this metaphor.



Resources:

 	

 	* Brown Church Development Group




 	

 	* Know Your Community (United States or Canada)




 	

 	* Church Growth Services




 	

 	* Episode #1: "Why Any Size Church Should Have a "Path" for Guests (and Members Too): An Interview with Todd Brown"




 	

 	* Episode #3: "What You Really Need to Know about a Church Master Plan: An Interview with Todd Brown"



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Church Answers does two major types of evaluation of music in church worship services. The first approach uses a secret guest to get their first impressions. In the second approach, Church Answers uses a trained and highly competent church musician to evaluate the music from both a philosophical and technical aspect. Sam and Thom look at five common issues in these technical evaluations.

 	

 	The service has no clear purpose or vision ("We need a contemporary service!" is a common reaction.).
 	The service tries to do too much.
 	The service does not encourage congregational singing.
 	The vocals have too many voices.
 	Some of the instrumentalists need coaching.



Resources:

 	* California Baptist University


 	* Upward Sports


 	Church Answers Central


 	Know Your Beliefs


 	Propel Worship Certification


 	The Everything Church Resource Directory


 	* The Hope Initiative


 	* Get your FREE tool! Attendance Growth Projector

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 	Did you know that fewer than 20% of Southern Baptist pastors have a bachelor’s degree? That is according to a past Pew Research study. How can this be combated and how can we prepare our churches for the future? California Baptist University has a solution. CBU offers a full breadth of courses through its online degree programs.
 	Whether you’re looking to start your degree, finish your degree, or prepare leaders in your church for advancement opportunities, CBU’s degree programs provide a flexible, online learning environment. Classes start every eight weeks, so you can begin any time.
 	An online degree can:

 	Help you gain a better understanding of your life’s purpose;
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 	Provide you with the skills and knowledge to make a difference in the lives of others.


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 	Financial aid is available, and thanks to CBU donors, online undergraduate degrees in Christian Ministries and Christian Studies may qualify for additional scholarship, making earning your degree more affordable.
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Upward Sports equips churches to run self-sustaining sports ministries in their communities.  Whether you are a sports fanatic, or on staff at a church, Upward Sports will give you all the tools you need to run a first-class sports ministry that allows you to reach families in your community.  Upward Sports offers basketball, soccer, flag football, cheerleading, volleyball, baseball and softball through league and camp offerings.


Five Reasons Your Worship Music May Not Be Clicking

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There are between 350,000 and 400,000 churches in the United States. Is there really a church on every street corner? Ryan Burge joins Thom and Sam on this special episode to discuss the optimal number of churches in a community. The answer will likely surprise you.

 	

 	“Churches Near Me” is the new way people find you. Few people pay attention to your sign anymore.




 	

 	You are invisible to your community without an outward focus.




 	

 	Distribution of churches is key: There are 356,000 religious congregations. That’s about 113 per county. There’s about 1 congregation for every 1000 Americans. For reference, there are 13,400 McDonalds and about 16,000 Starbucks.




 	

 	Geography is key: Houses of worship are not tracking with population growth in certain areas of the country.




 	

 	The counties that grew the fastest over the last ten years are the most likely to have a very high ratio of churches to people. In other words, they need more churches planted there.




 	

 	A church on every street corner is a kingdom outpost for the gospel!



Resources:

 	Tithe.ly


 	2023 State of Church Giving


 	* “How Many Religious Congregations Are in Your County?” by Ryan Burge


 	Ryan Burge


 	“From Bible Belt to Sunbelt: Plain-Folk Religion, Grassroots Politics, and the Rise of Evangelical Conservatism” by Darren Dochuk (affiliate link)


 	* “How Much of Church Growth Is Based on Demographics? The Data Provides a Compelling and Clear Answer” by Ryan Burge


 	* The Everything Church Resource Directory


 	* The Hope Initiative


 	* Get your FREE tool! Attendance Growth Projector

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The Burge Report: Are There Too Many Churches in the United States?

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Proverbs 22:1 makes clear, "Choose a good reputation over great riches; being held in high esteem is better than silver or gold." (NLT) How can a church recover after a scandal? What are some ways a congregation can begin to rebuild a reputation? Thom and Sam discuss some steps forward for these churches.

 	

 	If the scandal is rooted in sin, the church must publicly repent as a first step.




 	

 	If the scandal is derived from a stance on truth, the church must stand firm.




 	

 	The scandal's size and impact of the scandal should determine your response.




 	

 	Quickly remove church leaders from their positions of authority if necessary.




 	

 	Humility and service to the community over time will reduce the impact of the scandal.




 	

 	* When there are victims, seek fair restitution proactively.




 	

 	Do not sue others as a way to save face or retaliate.




 	

 	Put Christ in the middle of your response and seek the Holy Spirit's guidance through prayer.



Resources:

 	* Upward Sports


 	* California Baptist University


 	Church Answers Central


 	Know Your Beliefs


 	“It Is Time to Stop Celebrating Church Transfer Growth” by Thom S. Rainer


 	The Everything Church Resource Directory


 	* The Hope Initiative


 	* Get your FREE tool! Attendance Growth Projector

Episode Sponsors:

Upward Sports equips churches to run self-sustaining sports ministries in their communities.  Whether you are a sports fanatic, or on staff at a church, Upward Sports will give you all the tools you need to run a first-class sports ministry that allows you to reach families in your community.  Upward Sports offers basketball, soccer, flag football, cheerleading, volleyball, baseball and softball through league and camp offerings.

At Upward Sports, we want to help your church make a difference, and give you increased opportunities to share the gospel.  Learn more today at Upward.org/ChurchAnswers.

**As a partner of Rainer or Leadership, Upward Sports is offering a $500 sports start up grant to listeners. Head over to Upward.org/ChurchAnswers and schedule a call… tell them we sent you! Your sports grant will assist you in a 2024 LEAGUE!


 	

 	Did you know that fewer than 20% of Southern Baptist pastors have a bachelor’s degree? That is according to a past Pew Research study. How can this be combated and how can we prepare our churches for the future? California Baptist University has a solution. CBU offers a full breadth of courses through its online degree programs.
 	Whether you’re looking to start your degree, finish your degree, or prepare leaders in your church for advancement opportunities,

Rebuilding Your Reputation after a Church Scandal

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There are good examples of growing churches reaching young families. What are they doing differently than others? Thom and Sam answer this question. There is more to this issue than being a large church in a growing suburb. Churches reaching young families come in a variety of sizes and locations.

 	

 	The demographic reality of an aging population in the United States.




 	

 	Millennials (and soon Gen Z) are starting families at an older age than previous generations.




 	

 	The growing family church understands the worship "show" is less important than rhythms of discipleship and consistent programming.




 	

 	The growing family church understands you have to focus on children to reach young families, which means investing in staff, facilities, and programs.




 	

 	The growing family church understands the family unit is more diverse now than ever before.




 	

 	* The growing family church understands the reality of single parenting.




 	

 	The growing family church has older generations willing to sacrifice their preferences for the sake of reaching children.



Resources:

 	* California Baptist University


 	* Upward Sports


 	Brown Church Development Group


 	Ryan Burge


 	“The Bridger Generation” by Thom S. Rainer (affiliate link)


 	The Everything Church Resource Directory


 	* The Hope Initiative


 	* Get your FREE tool! Attendance Growth Projector

Episode Sponsors:


 	

 	Did you know that fewer than 20% of Southern Baptist pastors have a bachelor’s degree? That is according to a past Pew Research study. How can this be combated and how can we prepare our churches for the future? California Baptist University has a solution. CBU offers a full breadth of courses through its online degree programs.
 	Whether you’re looking to start your degree, finish your degree, or prepare leaders in your church for advancement opportunities, CBU’s degree programs provide a flexible, online learning environment. Classes start every eight weeks, so you can begin any time.
 	An online degree can:

 	Help you gain a better understanding of your life’s purpose;
 	Symbolize competence and integrity in your career; and
 	Provide you with the skills and knowledge to make a difference in the lives of others.


 	Your team may benefit from a degree in business, leadership, finance, communications or Christian studies. There are dozens of online degrees available to you! The online Bachelor’s degree in Christian Ministries develops servant leaders with the tools for understanding and communicating biblical truths. This degree prepares students for active leadership roles in the church, parachurch and Christian organizations.
 	Financial aid is available, and thanks to CBU donors, online undergraduate degrees in Christian Ministries and Christian Studies may qualify for additional scholarship,

How Do Growing Churches Reach Young Families?

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One of the signs of a healthy church is people asking tough questions. These questions may be theological, or they may involve life issues. When people are comfortable asking about difficult subjects, it shows trust in leadership. Thom and Sam discuss the importance of having a church culture that encourages asking hard questions.

 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they don't trust you.




 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they don't know you.




 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they don't understand you.




 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they expect you to ignore them.




 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they expect you to dodge them.




 	

 	People don't ask tough questions when they expect you to judge them.



Resources:

 	“Every Woman’s Bible” (Discover This Bible)


 	* “Every Woman’s Bible” (Bulk Purchasing)


 	* Tyndale House Publishers


 	* Upward Sports


 	Get your FREE eBook, Deferred Maintenance


 	The Everything Church Resource Directory


 	* The Hope Initiative


 	* Get your FREE tool! Attendance Growth Projector

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