Today, we’re joined by Marik von Rennenkampff, a former U.S. Department of Defense official and State Department analyst. We explore the science behind UAP classification, why shape data varies across agencies, and what those inconsistencies might reveal. Marik shares insights on national security implications, the growing role of private industry in UAP research, and how to move beyond media hype to spark serious public dialogue. We also ask: Why has mainstream media, aside from NewsNation, largely backed away from covering UAPs? What changed?

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