Above The Fold

This week on After Hours x Above the Fold, I sat down with CX specialist and Midwest dad extraordinaire, Larry Thoma.

We got into what great CX looks like after the checkout page, how brands can use returns to build trust (not just process refunds), and why “dishwasher safe” is not a real instruction. Larry’s worked with brands like Yeti, Caraway, and See’s Candy, so he’s got receipts (and hot takes!).

We talked about email touchpoints, refund timing, customer segmentation, and the wild world of return policies (Marine Layer, we’re looking at you). Plus, Larry’s take on what actually makes someone a loyal customer is one you’ll want to steal.

If you’re in retention, CX, or just trying to stop losing customers in the post-purchase void, you’ll want to catch this one.

🎧 Listen in for insights on retention, returns, and how to stop leaving money (and trust) on the table.

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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/larrythoma/

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✨ In this episode of Above the Fold, I sat down with Keri McGee, CMO of Attentive and a cx-to-marketing powerhouse, to talk about why good customer experience isn’t enough anymore—and what today’s best brands are doing to actually stand out. 📱💡

📊 The real reason 97% of brand messaging still looks like 2013

📦 How brands like UGG and OLLY are making omnichannel work—for real

🤖 Why AI isn’t the enemy (and how it’s already outwriting your content calendar)

📈 What orchestration looks like beyond just SMS and email

🧠 How to use data smarter—even if you’re just getting started

🛍️ What customer experience looks like in a mobile-first, AI-powered, “I want it now” world

👉 Hit play for insights on personalization, retention, and what modern lifecycle marketing requires in 2025.

📲 Follow Keri:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/keri-mcghee/

📲 Check out Attentive:

Website: attentive.com

Instagram: @attentivehq

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This week, I sat down with the brilliant (and brilliantly humble) Jim Lee—President of Crunch Labs—to talk about what it really takes to build a brand that doesn’t just go viral, but sticks.

We cover creator-led growth, product design that drives retention, the future of STEM education, and why customer experience starts way before someone hits “buy.”

Plus, Jim shares how Crunch Labs turns YouTube magic into meaningful learning for kids (think: flywheels, diplomas, and a robot that teaches you to code), what it’s like working with Mark Rober, and why they’re building a free science curriculum that could change classrooms across the country.

If you’re building a subscription brand, running CX, or just trying to connect your content to your customer—this episode is full of takeaways you can actually run with.

🎧 Listen now for tips on retention, product storytelling, and why real brand magic happens after the unboxing

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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jimelee/

Instagram: @jim.e.lee

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Website: crunchlabs.com

Instagram: @crunchlabs

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This week, I sat down with two of the sharpest minds in the retention and CX space to talk about what really drives long-term loyalty—especially in the skincare and wellness world.

We get into subscriptions, lifecycle marketing, cancelation logic, and why the prettiest packaging in the world won’t save you from bad UX. AJ shares how U Beauty builds obsession-worthy routines (with zero fluff) and Nikki breaks down why your “other” cancel reason is a goldmine of insight.

If you’re building a brand with high repeat potential, scaling retention ops, or just tired of running in circles with your post-purchase strategy—this one’s a must-listen.

🎧 Listen now on flexible CX, smarter subs, and retention that actually hits.

📲 Follow Nikki:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nikkitooman/

Instagram: @nikkdoll

📲 Follow AJ:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/aj-patel-ecommerce/

📲 Follow U Beauty:

Website: ubeauty.com

Instagram: @ubeauty 

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Website: stickydigital.io

Instagram: @stickydigital

📢 Big shoutout to Recharge for letting us run wild at ChargeX for this episode!

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This week on After Hours, I caught up with Nate Rosen—founder of Express Checkout and snack industry insider—to talk about what’s really going on in CPG right now.

We get into what’s changing with funding, why retail isn’t a guaranteed win, and what makes or breaks a brand in today’s market. Nate shares honest takes on hydration hype, TikTok Shop chaos, and the difference between creators who build legit brands vs. those just slapping their name on a label.

Plus, we unpack what makes a good modern retail brand (hint: it’s not just pretty packaging) and why knowing your margins is still the most underrated skill in CPG.

If you’re building a product, running a brand, or trying to stay ahead of the trends in food, wellness, and consumer behavior, this convo is packed with insight you can actually use.

🎧 Listen now for takes on product-market fit, retail strategy, and why not everyone needs to start a brand.

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Instagram: @nate__rosen

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nathaniel-rosen/

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Instagram: @expresscheckout

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/express-checkout-news/

Website: expresscheckout.substack.com

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This week, I sat down with two of my favorite entrepreneurial baddies, Sara and Chloe of Tippy Type—a product built for nail girlies and typers everywhere.

We talked about how they turned a scrappy prototype into a viral business, why they skipped paid ads entirely, and how listening to their community (and yes, even the trolls) shaped every product decision they’ve made. We also get into the unglamorous side of brand building: burnout, spreadsheet marathons, and what it really takes to run a company with your bestie and not lose your mind.

If you’re building a product, dreaming up your own brand, or just love hearing how chaos can turn into a cult hit, this episode’s for you.

🎧 Listen now to learn how Tippy Type became the keyboard cover for long nails—and why slow growth might actually be your secret weapon.

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Instagram: @sarayoungwang

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/youngsara/

📲 Follow Chloe:

Instagram: @wheretoclo

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/chloe-mae/

📲 Follow Tippy Type:

Instagram: @tippytype.co

TikTok: @tippytype

Website: https://tippytype.co/

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This week, I sat down with Nichelle Mesa, CX Manager at Girlfriend Collective, to talk about what it really looks like to build a small but powerful customer experience team that’s got more heart than headcount.

We cover what makes Girlfriend’s CX team so effective (spoiler: it’s not macros or AI), why empathy still matters, and how being in the queue isn’t a sign of bad leadership — it’s a flex. Nichelle shares how she approaches feedback loops, retention strategy, and yes, the iconic customer who once wrote, “I love you. I’m drunk. Bye.” CX gold.

If you’re leading a team, trying to level-up your retention, or figuring out how actually to make customer support feel human again, this episode’s got plenty to pull from.

🎧 Listen now to learn why small teams slay, how to build loyalty that sticks, and why your CX squad might be the secret sauce to your brand’s longevity.

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Instagram: @butwithan.n

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nnmesa/

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Instagram: @girlfriend

Website: girlfriend.com

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This week, I sat down with my friend Reid Litman, Global Consulting Director at Ogilvy, to talk about what it actually means to build trust with Gen Z—and why most brands are doing it wrong.

We cover creator-led brands, the evolution of retail strategy, loyalty programs that don’t suck, and why “authenticity” has officially lost all meaning. Reid shares what he’s seeing on the agency side, from legacy brands trying to stay relevant to new ones trying not to embarrass themselves.

Plus, we get into why A24’s membership model works, what Feastables learned moving from DTC to retail, and how YouTube is quietly becoming the new cable box. If you’re working in brand, marketing, or just trying to keep up with the next generation of buyers, this episode is full of insights you’ll actually use.

🎧 Listen now for takes on Gen Z, trust, and why the best brands don’t just talk the talk—they build a community that lasts.

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Instagram: @reidjlitman

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/reidlitman/

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Instagram: @ogilvy

Website: ogilvy.com

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This week on After Hours x Above the Fold, I’m joined by my longtime internet friend and professional complainer, Patrick Johnson—engineer, brand builder, and one of the most brutally honest voices in ecomm.

We cover everything from smarter subscription strategies to the death of originality in AI-built websites. Patrick shares what he’s seeing behind the scenes with clients, why most brands copy each other without context, and what actual personalization looks like in 2025.

We also get into founder storytelling (does everyone really need to be the face of their brand?), how to build real community without being cringe, and why bundling isn’t a growth strategy—it’s just vibes if you don’t know your numbers.

If you work in CX, ecomm, or brand strategy—or you’re just tired of beige sites and bloated tech stacks—this episode is packed with takes and tools you can actually use.

🎧 Listen now for insights on building smarter, designing better, and getting real about what works in DTC.

📲 Follow Patrick:

Instagram: @patrickbjohnson

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/patrickbjohnson/

🌐 Keep up with Dear Summer:

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Keep the insights coming by subscribing to my newsletter, Sunday Postcards. Each week, I share tips, stories, and strategies that help you unlock the secrets to brand success. Written from my experience in the marketing world, it’s your go-to source for staying ahead of the curve. Subscribe at www.sundaypostcards.co and join the community!

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This week, I sat down with Lauren Schorr, director of CX at Nestig, to talk about what it actually looks like to build customer experience into the foundation of a brand—not just as a function, but as a mindset.

We dig into why Nestig made CX its very first hire (yes, really), how they’ve scaled without outsourcing, and the difference between answering tickets and owning the entire customer journey. Lauren also breaks down the shift from baby products to kids’ furniture and what that’s meant for how her team communicates, supports, and grows.

If you’re thinking about building a CX team, growing your career in customer experience, or figuring out how to use feedback in a way that actually leads to change, this one’s for you.

🎧 Listen now for tips on team structure, retention beyond emails, and why your PDP probably needs a little more love.

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Instagram: @aurschorr

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lauren-schorr-69b0101aa/

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Instagram: @nestig

Website: nestig.com

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Keep the insights coming by subscribing to my newsletter, Sunday Postcards. Each week, I share tips, stories, and strategies that help you unlock the secrets to brand success. Written from my experience in the marketing world, it’s your go-to source for staying ahead of the curve. Subscribe at www.sundaypostcards.co and join the community!

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