While one of our guests refers to some advanced certifications as "meaningless credentials,” another says the move to discount advanced degrees is dumbing down teaching. Listen and tell us what you think

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John Wilson is former executive director of the National Education Association and a senior fellow with the Pearson Foundation. Marcus A. Winters is an assistant professor in the Leadership, the College of Education at the University of Colorado. His research focuses on K-12 education policy including teacher compensation policies. Nancy Flanagan is a retired National Board Certified Teacher. Josh Stumpenhorst, is a junior high Language Arts and Social Science teacher.