In this episode, Anna is joined by two elementary school teachers from California who are appearing anonymously so they can speak candidly about their experiences.

Both teach at a school where math achievement has remained consistently low.

After watching many of their students struggle with the curriculum they were expected to use (Illustrative Math), they began exploring research, learning about the science of learning and evidence-informed teaching practices, and rethinking what they had been taught about how children learn math.  They changed the way they taught math and the results were remarkable. Their students began the year below the national average in math and finished well above it.

This inspiring conversation explores what happens when teachers refuse to accept poor outcomes and take the initiative to find better ways to help their students succeed.

Max and Todd are also interested in hearing your thoughts and questions. 

Submit feedback and questions about this episode here: https://chalkandtalkpodcast.com/episode/ep-80/

Sept. 29, 11:00 AM CST Livestream for Making Sense of PISA 2025: Live with Montserrat Gomendio):  https://www.youtube.com/live/g_VTy4q55zo?si=9CWypiuqR1GyHIWc

Chalk & Talk website:  www.chalkandtalkpodcast.com

TIMESTAMPS

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://chalkandtalkpodcast.com/episode/ep-80/

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

Cognitive load theory and learning math with John Sweller 

Teaching math so students learn with Craig Barton

Using the Instructional Hierarchy to teach math with Brendan Lee

Transforming education through behaviour science with Dr. Kimberly Berens

The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden

Math & the Myth of Ability with John Mighton

MUSIC

Website: http://www.chalkandtalkpodcast.com/

In this episode, Anna is joined by returning guest Dr. Brian Poncy to discuss math fact fluency and whether improving students’ fluency with basic number operations leads to better overall math achievement.

Brian shares new results from the first year of a large implementation of the free Facts on Fire program in a Texas school district. They discuss what the data shows, how the program has evolved based on teacher feedback, and what educators are saying about it.

They also revisit five evidence-based reasons why fluency—being able to do math both accurately and effortlessly—matters. With a new school year underway, this episode offers practical and encouraging ideas for helping students build automaticity with math facts through clear instruction, practice, and feedback.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

TIMESTAMPS

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-79-resources

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy

Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy

How to Build Automaticity with Math Facts: A Practical Guide 

Rocking the Times Tables with Bruno Reddy

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this episode, Anna is joined by returning guests Dr. Nidhi Sachdeva and Dr. Paul Kirschner, authors of the upcoming book Becoming an Expert Teacher: Deliberate Practice for Effective Teaching.

They explore what makes an expert teacher and how teaching expertise can be deliberately developed. They discuss the importance of deep subject knowledge, mental models, deliberate practice, and reflection, while explaining the difference between the science and the craft of teaching.

They also examine how teaching expertise can be measured and why striving to become an expert teacher is both a professional responsibility and an equity issue.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:22] Introduction

RESOURCES

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

Rebuilding teacher training through cognitive science with Jonas Linderoth https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/rebuilding-teacher-training-through-cognitive-science-with-jonas-linderoth-ep-60/

How we learn: Naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice with Stephen Chew https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mrwn2-18adce0 How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsala https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/how-advocacy-is-changing-reading-instruction-with-jamie-metsala/

Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615

Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/using-evidence-in-education-with-pamela-snow-ep-27/

MUSIC Intro & Outro: Funk Jazz Big Band - ColorFilmMusic

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this solo episode, Anna Stokke explores five common misconceptions in math education that may sound convincing but aren't supported by high-quality evidence. This episode is based on a chapter she wrote for The Practice Project, which is a joint initiative of the American Enterprise Institute and researchED, dedicated to improving classroom practice through research-informed professional knowledge.  

She tackles five common misconceptions about math instruction:  teaching multiple strategies to new learners, relying on technology instead of learning facts and procedures, believing that conceptual understanding must precede procedures, using problem solving as the primary method of instruction, and thinking that practice turns kids off math. She concludes the episode by discussing evidence-based approaches that better support student success in mathematics.

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:02:16] Myth #1: New learners should learn multiple math strategies

[00:05:41] What to do instead

[00:06:04] Myth #2: Technology makes facts and procedures unnecessary

[00:09:31] Myth #3: Conceptual understanding must come before procedural skill

[00:13:50] Myth #4: Problem solving is the best way to teach mathematics

[00:15:09] The instructional hierarchy guides instructional methods

[00:16:29] Myth #5: Practice turns kids off math

[00:18:41] What the evidence says about effective math instruction

[00:20:06] Final thoughts: takeaways for teachers and parents

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

Rosenshine's Principles of Instruction with Tom Sherrington

Techniques for Building Fluency with Math Facts

Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman

Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-77-resources

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-77-transcript

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this episode, Anna Stokke is joined by Rachel Canter, Director of Education Policy for the Reinventing America's Schools Project and author of the report Inside the Mississippi Marathon. They explore how Mississippi transformed from one of the lowest-performing states in fourth grade reading and math to one of the highest-performing in the U.S., despite Mississippi being one of the poorest states.

They discuss the policies behind the turnaround, including growth-based accountability, early literacy initiatives, higher expectations for students, evidence-based instruction, and being transparent with parents.  They also discuss how Mississippi improved education outcomes for some of the most marginalized students and what other jurisdictions can take away from Mississippi’s success.  This episode is a must listen for educators, school leaders, policymakers, parents, and anyone interested in learning how sustained, evidence-based reform can improve student outcomes.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

TIMESTAMPS

RESOURCES

Inside the Mississippi Marathon by Rachel Canter: https://www.progressivepolicy.org/inside-the-mississippi-marathon/

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-76-transcript

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

The Finland myth, East Asia’s rise, & what makes education systems work with Montse Gomendio

From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb

Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns

The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this episode, Anna Stokke is joined by Doug Lemov, author of Teach Like a Champion and one of the most influential voices on effective teaching practice. They discuss educational equity and why strong teaching, clear behaviour routines, high expectations, and academic rigor are essential for helping every student succeed.

They also discuss practical classroom strategies, including how to use cold calling effectively, active observation in math class, and building a culture where students are engaged and accountable for learning. Teachers, school leaders, and anyone interested in evidence-based education will find practical, actionable insights in this conversation.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

TIMESTAMPS

RESOURCES

Teach like a Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/

Basketball leadership Teacher article https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7167858/2026/04/03/dusty-may-michigan-basketball-leadership-teacher/

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

Inside one of England’s top-performing non-selective schools with Robert Peal

The case for practice and the power of Math Corps with Alex Kontorovich 

Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill

Stress and learning with Dan Rosen

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this special two-part Chalk & Talk mailbag series, Anna Stokke is joined by Jonathan Regino, Pre-K–12 Supervisor of Math at Interboro School District, to answer questions submitted by listeners.

In Part 2, Anna and Jonathan tackle topics such as calculators in IEPs, math fact fluency, teacher content knowledge, the importance of mastering fractions, the role of NCTM in math education, and what evidence-informed math instruction looks like in classrooms. Drawing on their extensive experience in mathematics education, they provide practical, research-informed insights for teachers, school leaders, and parents.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

Olivier Chabot’s Notebook LM: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/c97a098a-7c1f-4e80-aa02-0ff73164b8e8?addSource=true&pli=1

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:22] Introduction

[00:14:47] Questions about standard algorithms

[00:26:11] Helping teachers improve math content knowledge

RESOURCES

https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-74-resources

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-74-transcript

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

Science of Math: The movement everyone's talking about with Sarah Powell (65)

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gar68-1a4c913

The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer 

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-93dcw-19a3530

Ep 54. Balanced literacy didn’t work—will balanced math? with Ben Solomon

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-usvqw-1962107

How to Build Automaticity with Math Facts: A Practical Guide (solo episode) 

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this special two-part Chalk & Talk mailbag episode, Anna Stokke is joined by Jonathan Regino, Pre-K–12 Supervisor of Math at Interboro School District, to answer questions submitted by listeners.

Together, they answer questions from teachers and parents about math resources, explicit instruction, teaching mixed ability classes, supporting advanced learners, and more. Drawing on their experience in mathematics education, Anna and Jonathan share practical, evidence-informed insights for teachers and school leaders looking to improve student outcomes.

This is Part 1 of a two-part listener Q&A special.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

Virtual assistant to help you get answers from past Chalk & Talk episodes: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/c97a098a-7c1f-4e80-aa02-0ff73164b8e8

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:22] Introduction

RESOURCES

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

Teaching math so students learn with Craig Barton

Math Academy: Optimizing student learning with Alex Smith and Justin Skycak

Project Follow Through: Direct Instruction's overlooked success with Marcy Stein

Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this episode, Anna Stokke is joined by Robert Peal, joint head teacher of West London Free School, one of England’s highest-performing non-selective schools.  Robert is also the author of Progressively Worse and co-author, with Nick Gibb, of Reforming Lessons:  Why English Schools Have Improved Since 2010 and How This Was Achieved. Anna visited West London Free School recently and invited Robert to join the podcast to share what makes the school so successful.

They discuss the school’s approach to behaviour, school culture, high expectations, and a knowledge-rich curriculum.  They also talk about England’s school reforms and why ineffective educational fads have continued to resurface throughout history, despite weak evidence. Teachers, school leaders, and policymakers will find practical insights on how structure, high expectations, a knowledge-based curriculum, and effective teaching are the keys to improving student outcomes.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

TIMESTAMPS

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb

The Finland myth, East Asia’s rise, and what makes education systems work with Montserrat Gomendio

Rocking the times tables with Bruno Reddy

Education myth busting with Daisy Christodoulou

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com

In this episode, Anna Stokke continues the conversation from the previous episode on what happens when requests for evidence are dismissed with the phrase “research shows.” She is joined by Thomas Briggs and David Shuck from the Center for Educational Progress to explore why ineffective or unsupported practices persist in education.

Thomas and David introduce an important distinction between misunderstanding and conviction: sometimes educators genuinely believe they are following best practices, while other times evidence is ignored or dismissed due to ideology.  They discuss examples including flawed advanced math placement decisions, an update on the New York math briefs controversy, concerns around programs like YouCubed, and the impact of San Francisco’s math de-tracking experiment.

The conversation examines how “research shows” can be used both in good faith and as a way to shut down debate, while offering listeners practical ways to think critically about evidence and education policy.

This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke

Anna Stokke was recently a guest writer for the Center for Educational Progress.  That article is available at https://www.educationprogress.org/p/what-to-do-when-research-shows-shuts

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:22] Introduction

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES 

What to do when “Research Shows” shuts you down: A guide for parents and teachers

Balanced literacy didn’t work­––Will balanced math? with Ben Solomon

Science of Math: The movement everyone’s talking about with Sarah Powell

Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker

Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad

California's math controversy with Jelani Nelson Part I

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

MUSIC

Website: www.annastokke.com