Susannah Black Roberts, Peter Mommsen, Shadi Hamid and Damir Marusic talk about Yoram Hazony’s National Conservative Statement of Principles, John Milbank’s Open Letter, and what postliberalism means.

They talk about what the NatCon statement implies about what state power should be used for, and then find themselves discussing abortion, and the future of the country given the profound differences that exist.

They talk about whether slavery and abortion are fundamentally different kinds of questions, about the nature of law, about assisted dying in Canada, whether and how progress happens.

The conversation then turns to the nature of religious truth, and on what politics is based on – sociability, justice, or love?