Explore the cutting-edge intersection of AI, cryptocurrency, and startup culture in our latest episode. We spoke with Shaw Walters, Founder of Eliza Labs, about the exciting possibilities and challenges of AI agents in digital worlds, the crypto ecosystem, and token launches. Discover how these technologies are shaping a fairer, more inclusive future for investing and why real products and vision matter more than hype. 

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant introduction

00:07 Episode summary

00:54 Introduction to Shaw Walters and Eliza Labs

02:27 AI agents in digital worlds

10:56 Eliza as a framework for providing what GPT doesn’t

11:25 Writing actions for AI agents

14:10 Use cases for AI agents

14:55 Moving from one-on-one to group settings

16:33 Connecting Eliza to the crypto ecosystem

19:20 Pros and cons of AI agents in financial services

21:25 AI agents as an interface

24:53 auto.fun and launching AI agents

30:08 Fairer than fair token launch

31:58 A new age of investing in startups

32:32 The government does not trust you with your own money

34:33 Crypto workarounds for investing in startups

35:43 The Trump administration and our path to regulation

36:57 Changing laws around investing in startups

38:32 Decentralized AI and opening investment to the public

39:30 What will bring AI agents back to the forefront?

44:25 How to structure better launchpads for startups

46:00 Crypto markets in their current state are casinos

49:24 Jeffy Yu and Zerebro

53:36 Why the crypto culture needs to change

55:31 Real products and real vision

58:00 Closing remarks