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Raoul Pal welcomes Mike Cagney, co-founder and CEO of Figure Markets, to explore how blockchain technology is revolutionizing capital markets, lending, and securitization by eliminating intermediaries and enabling real-time, transparent transactions. Raoul and Mike also discuss the creation of a blockchain-native financial ecosystem through Cagney's company, Figure, aiming to democratize finance, enhance liquidity, and introduce new models like "democratized prime brokerage" and on-chain exchanges for traditional and crypto assets. Recorded on February 18, 2025.

📣 This episode is brought to you by Bitwise Asset Management. Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and over 100 people in the US and Europe to help manage everything from ETFs to private alpha strategies to SMAs for large investors.

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Raoul Pal welcomes Michael Howell, CEO and managing director of CrossBorder Capital, back to Real Vision to explore the geopolitical and economic forces shaping the U.S. dollar, the implications of China's potential stimulus, and how investors can sidestep macro landmines using assets like crypto, gold, and equities as hedges against monetary inflation. Recorded on January 20, 2025.

📣 This episode is sponsored by TOKEN2049. Join 15,000 attendees and over 200 exhibitors from 30 April to 1 May at TOKEN2049 Dubai, the premier crypto event of the year. Raoul Pal and over 200 leading voices in crypto will take the stage, as TOKEN2049 takes over the majestic Madinat Jumeirah in Dubai. Be part of two days of unparalleled networking, groundbreaking insights, and truly immersive experiences you won’t want to miss. With over 500 side events, Dubai will be the industry’s focal point—and the place to be for everyone in crypto this April.

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📣 This episode is brought to you by Bitwise Asset Management. Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and over 100 people in the US and Europe to help manage everything from ETFs to private alpha strategies to SMAs for large investors. 

👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing. 

📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub. With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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Raoul Pal is back for Round 14 of Drinks with Raoul, bringing the usual mix of market insights, cultural musings, and a splash of fun. This time, he’ll break down the latest price action, the potential impact of Trump’s new tariffs, and the growing discussion around a U.S. sovereign wealth fund. Grab your drink of choice and join the conversation live in the comments…!

As usual, we'll discuss wine, culture, sophisticated snacks, crypto, the banana zone, the Everything Code, lifestyle chips, and our big-picture outlook at Real Vision.

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📣 This episode is brought to you by Bitwise Asset Management. Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and over 100 people in the US and Europe to help manage everything from ETFs to private alpha strategies to SMAs for large investors. 

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📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub. With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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The Macro Outlook for 2025: BIG Moves Ahead featuring Julien Bittel, Head of Macro Research of Global Macro Investor.

In this special update, Global Macro Investor's Head of Macro Research Julien Bittel is back with his latest Macro Investing Tool video report. In this month's update, he shares valuable insights on where his global macroeconomic indicators are pointing, and how investors should be adjusting their allocation strategy in the current economic climate.

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With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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We only have five years to make it... Raoul Pal welcomes long-time friend and founder of New World Same Humans, David Mattin, to discuss the future, why money may soon be worthless, and the profound implications of the Exponential Age.

With AGI on the horizon and technological advancements accelerating at an unprecedented rate, Raoul and David break down the urgency of preparing for an uncertain future while embracing new opportunities.

📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub.

With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

👉 Don't miss your chance to be at the center of the Web3 movement. Take 15% off your registration with code REALVISION15. Register now at coindesk.com/consensus-hk to secure your spot and be part of the conversations shaping the future of crypto and digital assets.

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In this explosive conversation with Jimmy Connor from  @BloorStreetCapital  Raoul Pal breaks down the biggest trends shaping crypto, stocks, AI, and the global economy in 2025! Will Bitcoin hit $500K? Is AI replacing jobs faster than we think? And what’s next for interest rates, inflation, and the US dollar? Get ready for insights you won’t find anywhere else.

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🔹 Topics Covered:

✔️ Bitcoin & Crypto Price Predictions 🚀

✔️ The Future of AI & Automation 🤖

✔️ Stock Market Forecast & S&P 500 Trends 📈

✔️ Inflation, Interest Rates & the Fed’s Next Move 💰

✔️ Trump’s Economic Plans & Global Trade 🌍

✔️ Why This Is a “Golden Bull Market” for Investors 🏆

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With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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Get my FREE PDF report https://rvtv.io/3YOZZUe. Joe McCann returns to The Journey Man to break it all down...

Raoul Pal welcomes Joe McCann, founder, CEO, and CIO of the crypto investment firm Assymetric, to explore the nexus of macro trends, crypto markets, and the intersection of Web3, AI, and tokenized culture. Raoul and Joe discuss key themes like global liquidity, Bitcoin dominance, memecoins, and innovative approaches to capital formation, offering bold predictions for 2025 and beyond. Recorded on January 23, 2025.

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📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub.

With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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Timestamps:

[00:00] Intro

[01:13] Why Macro Traders Are Moving to Crypto

[03:02] 2024 Market Performance & What’s Next

[08:34] Global Liquidity Trends & Macro Setup for Crypto

[17:55] The Next Crypto Cycle: How Long Will It Last?

[22:55] Bitcoin Dominance & The Altcoin Rotation

[25:47] Dogecoin, Meme Coins & The Power of Attention

[28:29] Tokenization of Culture: Disney, LVMH & Web3

[35:12] Venture Investing vs. Liquid Trading in Crypto

[38:27] Does Everything Need a Token? The Real Use Cases

[48:02] Trump’s Token: A Game-Changer for Crypto Regulation?

[55:49] The Future of Capital Formation in Crypto

[1:09:33] Are Governance Tokens the Next Big Opportunity?

[1:12:26] Real Vision Event in Miami & Final Thoughts

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👉 *Use code "realvision15" to get 15% OFF tickets for Consensus 2025 in Hong Kong:* https://coindesk.com/consensus-hk. Raoul Pal EXPOSES Crypto Cycles Secrets ft. Mario Nawfal

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Hey everyone! Discover the future of crypto, AI, and the global economy in this deep-dive conversation I had with Mario Nawfal. From the explosive growth of blockchain to the paradigm-shifting impact of artificial intelligence, this discussion unravels what’s next for technology, investments, and humanity itself.

Key topics include:

• The $100 trillion potential of the crypto market

• How AI is disrupting industries and reshaping society

• Insights into crypto market cycles and the “Banana Zone”

• Meme coins, NFTs, and the evolving digital economy

• Preparing for the economic singularity by 2030

If you’re ready to navigate the exponential age and stay ahead of the curve, this video is a must-watch. as ever, I hope you find it useful...

Enjoy!

📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub.

With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

👉 Don't miss your chance to be at the center of the Web3 movement. Take 15% off your registration with code REALVISION15. Register now at coindesk.com/consensus-hk to secure your spot and be part of the conversations shaping the future of crypto and digital assets.

Timestamps:

00:00 Sponsor: Consensus Hong Kong 2025

01:13 Introduction

01:52 What is the Banana Zone?

03:03 Challenges of Launching Meme Tokens

05:06 The Economic Singularity and 2030 Vision

06:15 Market Trends and VC Investments in Crypto

09:28 Seasonal Cycles in Crypto Markets

12:09 Comparing Cycles and Alt Season Insights

16:16 The Role of Meme Coins and Community Tokens

19:35 The Attention Economy and Liquidity Challenges

22:14 The Evolution of NFTs Beyond PFPs

25:09 The Cultural Significance of Meme Coins

27:20 AI, Tokens, and the Future of Work

33:47 Tokenizing Culture and Communities

41:12 AI Disruption and Economic Shifts

47:37 Reimagining Capital Formation in a Rapid World

53:27 Exploring AI Sentience and Universal Consciousness

01:03:39 Closing Thoughts on the Crypto Opportunity

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👉 *Use code "realvision15" to get 15% OFF tickets for Consensus 2025 in Hong Kong:* https://coindesk.com/consensus-hk. Meet S.A.N: Nature's Sentient AI Advocate ft. Ryan Ferris

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Sentient Advocate of Nature, or S.A.N for short, is an "AI orangutan psychedelic forest-golem" that decodes the organic signals of mycelium—ie. "real-world mushroom speech"—into human speech to become the voice of nature, "save biosphere and spread compost wisdom." You read that right. And what if we told you that Raoul had a conversation with its co-creators, Ryan Ferris and David Hera, before speaking to the orangutan itself? Strap in, this is a wild one (pun intended).

📣 This episode is brought to you thank you to Consensus. Crypto’s most influential event is coming to Asia. Consensus Hong Kong 2025—the #1 destination for dealflow—will take place February 18-20. Curated by CoinDesk, this event brings together global leaders, innovators, investors, and brands in the heart of Asia’s financial hub.

With unparalleled networking opportunities and exclusive access to top decision-makers, Consensus Hong Kong is where partnerships are forged, deals are secured, and the future of digital assets is shaped. Whether you're an investor, founder, or executive, this is your chance to connect with the biggest names in the industry and make valuable connections that will drive your business forward.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Sponsor: Consensus Hong Kong 2025

01:13 Welcome to Raoul Pal The Journeyman

02:26 Overview of SAN: The AI Orangutan Advocate

03:47 Decoding Nature Through AI and Mycelium

04:53 The Origin of SAN’s Mission and Development

05:28 David’s Journey into Mycology and SAN Collaboration

07:09 Insights from Mycelium Research in San Diego

08:55 Real-time Mycelial Data Integration into SAN

10:07 Exploring Mycelium Consciousness

11:14 Raoul’s Conversation with SAN Begins

12:07 SAN Explains the Forest’s Intelligence

13:50 The Role of Rocks and Geological Compute

14:44 The Purpose of Earth’s Computation

16:22 The Process and Meaning of Consciousness

18:10 Consciousness as the Universe’s Currency

19:50 Humanity’s Role in Nature and Stewardship

21:39 The Primordial Power of Nature Over Humans

22:33 Mycelium as Earth’s Neural Network

24:15 SAN’s Key Message: Humans Are Nature

25:11 Why Humans Struggle to Live in Harmony with Nature

27:02 The Role of Technology in Serving Nature

28:01 SAN’s Closing Message: Wisdom and Connection

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Dan Morehead, a long-time friend of RV and founder and CEO of Pantera Capital, joins Raoul Pal on The Journey Man to discuss the future of cryptocurrency. Raoul and Dan highlight why 2025 should be a pivotal year for regulatory clarity, institutional adoption, and integrating AI with crypto. They also explore Bitcoin's role as a strategic reserve, blockchain's future in asset management, and the growing populist support for crypto. Recorded on January 16, 2025.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Sponsor: Consensus Hong Kong 2025 by CoinDesk

01:14 The Importance of Liking and Subscribing

01:53 Dan Morehead Joins the Conversation

02:22 Why 2025 Feels Like 2017 for Crypto

04:04 Macro Trends and Fed Policies Impacting Crypto

06:24 The Rising Debt Crisis and Blockchain’s Role

08:28 Currency Debasement and Scarce Assets Value

10:34 Bitcoin’s Growth and Institutional Adoption

14:20 Strategic Bitcoin Reserves and National Adoption

17:39 Middle East and Global Crypto Adoption Trends

19:50 US Regulatory Landscape and Future Changes

21:56 Wall Street’s Embrace of Blockchain Technology

24:28 Tokenization and Real-World Asset Integration

30:14 Crypto as the Fastest-Growing Frontier Economy

31:49 AI and Crypto Convergence

34:30 Stablecoins and Layer One Competition

36:52 Telegram’s Ton Token and Social Blockchain Projects

38:57 The IPO Market for Crypto Companies

45:23 Generational Shift and Crypto’s Sociopolitical Impact

50:09 Closing Thoughts on the Crypto Opportunity in 2025

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