In this episode of For Humanity, host John Sherman speaks with Esben Kran, one of the leading figures in the for-profit AI safety movement, joining live from Ukraine — where he’s exploring the intersection of AI safety, autonomous drones, and the defense tech boom.

🔎 They discuss:

* The rise of for-profit AI safety startups and why technology must lead regulation.

* How Ukraine’s drone industry became the frontline of autonomous warfare.

* What happens when AI gains control — and how we might still shut it down.

* The chilling concept of a global “AI kill chain” and what humanity must do now.

Esben also shares insights from companies like Lucid Computing and Workshop Labs, the growing global coordination challenges, and why the next AI safety breakthroughs may not come from labs in Berkeley — but from battlefields and builders abroad.

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