The Python Podcast.__init__

Allen Downey on Teaching Computer Science with Python


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Overview – Interview with Allen Downey, Prolific Author and Professor of Computer Science

Interview with Allen Downey
  • Introductions
  • How did you get introduced to Python? – Chris
    • Wrote a Java book with an open license to allow anyone to make changes
    • Jeff Elkner translated it to Python

    • What attributes of Python make it well suited for use in teaching computer science principles?

      • Syntax is simple, makes a difference for beginners
      • Good error messages
      • Batteries included

      • One of the things I found very compelling about Think Like a Computer Scientist is its use of interactive turtle graphics early on. What makes the turtle continue to be a compelling educational tool and what made you choose it for this book in particular?

        • Everything you do has a visible effect, makes it easier to see what’s happening and debug
        • Used to introduce functional decomposition because of no return value in turtle graphics
        • Great way to explore complex geometric concepts

        • Did the structure of your courses change when you started using Python as the language used in the classroom? Were you able to cover more material as a result?

          • Able to make material more interesting
          • Less time spent fighting with syntax

          • As a professor of computer science, do you attempt to incorporate the realities of software development in a business environment, such as unit testing and working with legacy code, into your lesson plans?

            • Unit tests useful as a teaching tool
            • Version control getting introduced earlier

            • A number of your books are written around the format of ‘Think X’. Can you describe what a reader can expect from this approach and how you came up with it?

              • Learning how to program can be used as a lever to learn everything else
              • You can understand what a thing is by understanding what it does

              • What are some of the more common stumbling blocks students and developers encounter when trying to learn about stastics and modeling, and how can they be overcome?

                • Traditional analytic methods for statistical computation – get in the way and impede understanding
                  • P-values are a great example
                  • What test should I do? is the wrong question



                  • I’ve heard you refer to yourself as a ‘bayesian’. Can you elaborate on what that means and how bayesian statistics fits into the larger landscape of data science?

                    • Frustration with frequentist approach to statistics
                      • Wasted time over debate of objectivity vs subjectivity

                      • Bayesian approach takes modeling ideas and makes them explicit

                        • Can directly compare and contrast results of competing models

                        • Classical approaches don’t answer the most interesting questions

                        • *We’re big fans of iPython notebook which you’ve used in at least one of your books already – can you describe some of the ways you have implemented it in an educational context, as well as some of the benefits and drawbacks?
                        • Started using about 2 years ago

                        • Appreciated usefulness for books and teaching because of synthesis of text, code and results

                        • Working on DSP really highlighted the usefulness of IPython notebooks



                        • Picks
                          • Tobias
                            • IMAPy – IMAP for humans
                            • ScudCloud – Linux desktop Slack client
                            • Thrive – Online purchasing club for healthy and organic foods
                            • Floobits – remote pair programming

                            • Chris

                              • Testament of Youth
                              • Mastering Emacs – The Website / Blog
                              • StayFocused
                              • Fallout Shelter

                              • Keep in Touch
                                • Twitter
                                • Blog
                                • The intro and outro music is from Requiem for a Fish The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

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