David sits down with film and television producer Tansy Gardam, host of the acclaimed Going Rogue podcast, for a deep dive into Andor's place in the Star Wars universe. They explore how Tony Gilroy's irreverence toward franchise expectations allowed him to craft something truly unique, examining the show's mature storytelling approach that trusts audiences to piece together complex narratives without exposition dumps. The conversation covers everything from the "curse" that has plagued Star Wars productions since the Holiday Special to why Andor represents a creative black swan event unlikely to be repeated. They also discuss the complex character arcs of Bix and Cinta, the politics embedded in Star Wars storytelling, and how Gilroy's background writing morally complex protagonists shaped Cassian's journey from "roach to butterfly."

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