Professor John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist and Pulitzer Prize-winning author, examines the alien abduction phenomenon from an academic perspective. Mack discusses his research into experiencer accounts and the psychological reality of abduction events, regardless of their physical nature. The conversation addresses the academic controversy surrounding Mack's work at Harvard and the pressure faced by respected scholars investigating anomalous phenomena. Mack presents case studies from his latest book "Passport to the Cosmos" exploring human transformation through alien encounters. The discussion delves into common patterns among abduction experiences, including the appearance of human-like beings and transformative after-effects. Shadow people phenomenon continues to generate thousands of listener reports. Mack explores the intersection of extraordinary experience research and traditional psychiatric practice, examining how the human psyche processes encounters that challenge conventional reality frameworks.