There are now 6,000 more full-time stay-at-home dads than a decade ago according to National Office for Statistics figures. But a new book suggests that fathers are still routinely shirking childcare in and out of working hours because they just don't want to do it. Phil asks Gideon Burrows author of 'Men Can Do It' and Jeremy Davies from the Fatherhood Institute whether dads are pulling their weight with childcare. Bump club members Lorna Morley Medd and Kirsteen Maccall Bowman and their husbands Justyn and Ralph join the discussion.