Audio Branding

“Ultimately, what happens with Spotify and Apple and YouTube or any of the other platforms out there, the majors are going to set the precedent on what the licensing deals look like. That's eventually going to trickle down to the independent artists to where they just they don't get a great deal, I mean, they're never going to really see substantial money, even if they're doing millions of streams.” -- Mac McIntosh

This week is the second half of my interview with music supervisor and film producer Mac McIntosh. We talk about how social media is changing the licensing landscape, what's truly involved in building the right soundtrack, and which musical genre he’s hoping might make a cinematic comeback thanks to shows like Stranger Things.

Creative Conversations

We start the second half of the show with a closer look at his team, which includes musicians and Foley artists, and some of the series they’ve worked on. “Creatively, I had to do a lot of things that weren’t traditional to the music clearance space,” Mac explains as we look back at one project. “A lot of creative conversations had to take place to make certain things happen, and to prevent certain things from happening as well, from a licensing standpoint.”

Living by the Single

Mac talks about some of the soundtrack trends he’s seen in movies since the turn of the millennium, and how he’d like to see rock music make a Hollywood comeback. We move on to a look at how social media has made things both easier and more challenging for indie artists, and how video games and streaming shows are creating new opportunities for exposure and fame. “They realize that you live and die by the single these days,” he notes. “Artists are at the point where they're basically hustling on a daily basis, trying to figure out how to maintain their careers, while at the same time most of them have to have a full-time job to go along with that.”

Owning Your Music

We wrap things up with a growing industry trend that he advises clients looking to add a musician to their project to follow. “It's better to do a made-for-hire or paid-for-hire deal with an artist,” Mac says, “where you pay them directly to create an original piece of music for you... versus licensing something that you're not sure is a good deal or not.” He points out the advantages of owning your own audio assets, such as greater stability and potential revenue, and we discuss some of the different licensing options available and which ones might best fit a given project.

Episode Summary

• Mac's Musiclerk team and how a soundtrack is cleared.
• How social media companies have changed online marketing
• Video games, streaming shows, and the music hustle culture
• Licensing options and how to contact Mac McIntosh

Connect with Mac:

Website: https://www.musiclerk.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mac-mcintosh-717190126/

Follow Musiclerk on Twitter: https://twitter.com/musiclerk

Get his Studio Numbers Chart Workbook: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SGNZ59L?ref_=pe_3052080_397514860

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“Because a lot of podcasting was audio-only people thought, well, it's like radio, all you need is, you know, a performance license. And that's not true. It's exactly like that, and that we've all learned, you know, in time, it's kind of developed to the point where you have to sync music from a licensing perspective with podcasts the same as you do film or television. So, you know, helping people navigate that, that was one of my big goals.” -- Mac McIntosh

This episode's guest is a music supervisor and film producer based in Dallas, Texas, who's spent over twenty years in the entertainment industry, with additional experience in music clearance, music licensing, film distribution, and more. He's the founder of Musiclerk.com, a music and audio agency that provides music supervision, music clearance, post audio editing, sound design, and music composition for their film, television, podcast, and video clients. He also has experience helping filmmakers and production companies secure distribution for their projects.

His name is Mac McIntosh, and in this interview, we'll be taking a deep dive into the world of music and how important it can be to the shape of a project. Mac's perspective will offer a golden opportunity to learn more about the inner workings of this fascinating field, and how it might come into play with your own content creation.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

The Cadence of Cinema

We start the interview with a look at Mac's audio influences while growing up, from the rhythm of He-Man's catchphrases to the cadence of cinematic audio. “The music played a big part of it too from a dynamic standpoint for me,” he explains as he recalls how movie soundtracks helped inspire his love of music. “I think that was something I really grabbed onto at an early age,” he says, “and realized that it does affect in ways you don't even realize.”

The Willingness to Not Give Up

Mac goes on to recount how his early career as a musician led him to become a producer and music supervisor. “Growing up in Nashville and being a guitar player,” he says, “you quickly realize there are... at least a thousand other guitar players that are either better or a lot better than you are.” We talk about his first music industry blog and the young artists he met whose talent and perseverance inspired him. “I think just determination and just the willingness to not give up are the biggest things, especially for some of the artists that I interviewed at that time.”

Overcoming the Algorithms

We go on to talk about the early days of social media, the new kinds of success and exposure the internet brought to independent artists, and whether today’s older, more structured online culture can still support that sort of breakthrough success. “Because the algorithms had not reached a level,” he tells us, “that everything was, you know, kind of suppressed and you had to spend money in order for it to be seen like it is nowadays, it was very organic and real.”

Helping People Navigate

Next, we look back at how Musiclerk began, as Mac realized that both musicians and industry professionals need someone who can guide them through the complicated process of music clearance and licensing. “What a lot of directors and producers sometimes aren't aware of,” he notes, “is the length of the process it can take to clear one song.” He tells us about the first questions he asks to gauge the right sound for a project, the process behind securing it, and the movies and series soundtracks that he’s supervised.

Episode Summary

• Mac’s earliest audio influences and musical hobbies
• The Nashville Number System and music scene
• How social media has evolved as a marketing tool
• Musiclerk and finding just the right music
• The hidden process of music clearance and licensing

Connect with Mac:

Website: https://www.musiclerk.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mac-mcintosh-717190126/

Follow Musiclerk on Twitter: https://twitter.com/musiclerk

Get his Studio Numbers Chart Workbook: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SGNZ59L?ref_=pe_3052080_397514860

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“Doing audio branding very often has similarities to coaching. It's always a change management process and it's also iterative, so it's almost repeating the same procedures a couple of times until you get closer and closer to something that everybody agrees is ‘okay, that's the goal.’ And by the way, goals are the most important thing. If it's not clear where you want to go, what you need, and why you are doing this, if you just follow the next hype and say we need a sound logo just like our competitor, then you’re lost, then you're just wasting time and money.” -- Cornelius Ringe

This week continues our Clubhouse discussion as Lauri Domnick, Jeanna Isham, Steve Keller, Shez Merha, Jack Monson, and Cornelius Ringe lead a variety of questions and comments.

A Trustworthy Sound

The second half begins as our panel reveals what questions they ask clients to learn who they are from an audio perspective. Jeanna tells us about her work with REI and how she used natural sounds to focus their outdoor branding, while Lauri discusses the challenge of turning more abstract concepts like trustworthiness into something we can hear and recognize. Shez focuses on better aligning the audio to the company's brand, and Jack switches things around with a simple question that can have surprisingly candid and helpful answers: "if you and I were going to take a road trip," he asks clients, "what three artists would you want to have?"

The Voice of the Brand

Steve takes a different, more psychological approach to learning more about a client's potential sonic profile, one that sparks a discussion about the archetypes of sound, what the brand might be like if it were a person. "If the brand were to talk to you," he asks, "what would the brand's voice sound like? Is it male, is it female, is it neither of those? If the brand was going to give you a playlist, what would be on their Pandora playlist?"

The Soundtrack of Your Life

Cornelius offers a thought-provoking reply as he talks instead about focusing on the language of sound, a language that's often unfamiliar to his clients, and helping them find the right words to consider the question and develop their own answers. Alex joins in to note that clients don't always have a good answer, particularly in the business world where opinions and priorities can clash; as Steve puts it, "the work is fraught with the need for diplomacy." Cheryl, a podcaster and voice talent, takes the stage with a question she always likes to ask: if there was a soundtrack to your life, what would be on it and why? The answers, she notes, are often surprising, and always revealing.

Episode Summary

• Looking at company brands from an audio perspective
• Considering brands and sounds as archetypes
• Learning the language of both sound and business
• Listening to the soundtrack of your life

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Connect with the Panelists:

Jeanna Isham’s website: https://www.dreamrproductions.com/

Shez Merha’s website: https://the194group.com/

Cornelius Ringe’s website: https://www.wesound.de/en/

Steve Keller’s website: https://www.sxmmedia.com/

Connect with Lauri Domnic on LinkedIn: https://fi.linkedin.com/in/lauridomnick

Jack Monson’s website: https://www.socialgeekradio.com/

The Power of Sound club on Clubhouse: https://www.clubhouse.com/club/the-power-of-sound

“So it's really no surprise that, you know, it's back in the driver's seat now, when everyone is really fighting and yearning for how to capture attention, even a little bit of attention, from an exhausted and overwhelmed and overstimulated population base globally. So I think it applies itself to media, to what you're eating, in a restaurant experience, a shopping experience, really across the entire 360, or integrated marketing, if you want to speak like a marketer, that whole kind of overarching back row strategy from everywhere your brand is going to live. There are likely ways to embed audio into those instances in a meaningful way without adding more 'noise' to the world.” -- Shez Mehra

For those of you who don't know, I host regular weekly Clubhouse rooms on Wednesdays at 2 PM Eastern Time.  We talk about all sorts of things related to sound, including voiceovers, public speaking, podcasting, music, and, of course, audio branding.  We also cover things like Voice AI, Sound in Social Media, and even Audio NFTs. This particular recording, made with the permission of everyone who participated, is from a Clubhouse room called The Power of Audio Branding in my Power of Sound club.  We had a number of stellar panelists, including Jeanna Isham, Shez Merha, Cornelius Ringe and Steve Keller, all of whom have also been guests on this podcast with episodes all their own. Lauri Domnick, from Bauer Media in Finland, and Jack Monson, from Social Geek Radio, also joined us.

The audio is presented as it was heard in the moment, so it won't be perfect, and there's a bit of a lag, so sometimes it might sound like people are taking a while to respond while other times it sounds like I'm talking over them. That isn't how it sounded at the time, and hopefully won't be too distracting for you as you listen. But this discussion should give you a good look at the fascinating world of audio branding from many different perspectives, and at why it's a topic and discipline that's becoming more important all the time. I also want to thank everyone that came up on stage to join in, ask questions, and make comments. Your participation made this discussion even better. The lesson is clear: if you aren't paying attention to the sound of your brand, you'll ultimately be missing out.

If you have any questions for the panelists, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in these show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

What is Audio Branding?

We start off the discussion with a look at just what audio branding means for each of our panelists, and what makes it such a powerful marketing tool. Jeanna explains the subtle difference between audio and sonic branding while Lauri talks about its potential for stirring our deepest memories and feelings. Jack joins the conversation and agrees about the power of audio impressions. “There's something more magical about audio memories stimulating something from the back of your mind, from earlier in life, childhood, whatever, there's something more powerful about audio than anything visual.”

Filling the Gaps

Shez joins the group and talks about the insights his career as a DJ and musician have given him about the power of sound and how often it's neglected in the business world. “It could be a song,” as he puts it, “it could be your mother's voice, it could be the narrator from a show that you grew up on. There are so many ways in which we as human beings just inherently connect with sounds and audio.” Steve and Cornelius arrive and offer their perspectives on the untapped potential of audio branding. “Audio branding for me also is about filling the gap in brand communication,” Cornelius says. “There's a huge gap in the potential of brand communication, and that is audio.”

Sounds in the Brain

Alex, a researcher for Massive Music who specializes in neuroscience, takes the stage first to point out how intrinsic sound is to the human brain. As he explains, “I think that what's so powerful about music and branding, is that it's subconscious, it's innate response to how our brains process sound on a level that can't be reached by other sensory modalities.” Brad follows up to ask Jeanna about sonic branding, and how it goes beyond licensed music and jingles to the very heart of a company's sound, from the quality of a smart speaker to the pitch and tone of a phone prompt.

Musical Motivation

Joe, a voice-over artist and singer, takes the stage next and reminds us all of the classic three-note jingle “By Mennan,” noting how effectively it breaks the established wisdom of commercial audio to make a memorable impression. “I find it fascinating,” he says, “that it's a marriage of art and science to be able to twist people's neurons so that this earworm gets in there.” Jack and Jeanna point out that a successful audio brand motivates its audience, compelling us to take action, and Shelley, a fellow singer and voice actor, points out the very visible changes in brain activity that occur when we react to audio cues, whether it's a catchy melody or a familiar voice.

Episode Summary

• Jeanna and Lauri describe the evocative power of sound
• Jack and Shez share their perspective on audio branding
• Steve and Cornelius discuss marketing gaps
• Alex and Brad take the stage with opening questions
• Joe and Shelley follow up with branding insights

Next week the Clubhouse chat continues as our guests talk about how sound can promote particular themes, the challenge of expressing identity through audio, and how taking a more personal approach to sound can help clients better appreciate sonic branding.

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Connect with the Panelists:

Jeanna Isham’s website: https://www.dreamrproductions.com/

Shez Merha’s website: https://the194group.com/

Cornelius Ringe’s website: https://www.wesound.de/en/

Steve Keller’s website: https://www.sxmmedia.com/

Connect with Lauri Domnic on LinkedIn: https://fi.linkedin.com/in/lauridomnick

Jack Monson’s website: https://www.socialgeekradio.com/

The Power of Sound club on Clubhouse: https://www.clubhouse.com/club/the-power-of-sound

Have you ever thought about how quiet the world of television and movies can be? If two characters are eating at a restaurant or working in an office, we don't have to worry about trying to hear them over the sound of clinking glasses or crinkling paper, or anyone else who might be making too much noise in the background. Cinematic sound tells us just as much of the story as the images, and unless they're part of the story, footsteps and rustling clothes aren't usually something we want to hear coming from the speakers.

Movies are filmed in the same noisy, unpredictable world we all live in, though, and life doesn't come with a mute button, though it'd be nice if it did. So how do they do it? The right microphone, soundproofing, and studio environment all go a long way, of course, and a talented sound editor, such as my own editor Humberto Franco, can work wonders in post-production. But there's only so much that can be cleaned up or kept away from the microphone: everything we do makes some kind of sound. That’s why prop masters also use something called "silent props," or "noiseless props," to take the everyday noise that we can't get rid of completely and turn it into a different, more soothing kind of sound.

One prop master whose TikTok videos earlier this year helped bring the idea of silent props to the public eye is Scott Reeder, who’s been working in Hollywood for over three decades. For recording a conversation during a game of pool in the show Friday Night Lights, without having the actors pausing for each shot, he came up with the idea of repainting soft plastic racquetballs to look like pool balls. When the camera needed to show one of the shots, he swapped the prop balls with the real thing and then switched them back.

If you’d like to check out Scott’s mixture of movie-making insights and punny dad jokes, you can find the link to his recent video on creating silent horseshoes here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhv6GfDP4ok

When it comes to recording cinematic dialogue, there’s a surprising amount of unintentional sound that needs to be hidden from the microphone. UK filmmakers Robert Carr and Richard Scott, who run the YouTube channel The Film Look, talk about the challenge of filming an authentic restaurant scene, and how masking the sound of a glass being set down on a table, which is usually about the same height as the actor’s microphone, can be as simple as discreetly placing a cushion on the table, or as involved as having a stagehand hiding just below the frame to take the glass from the actor.

In a later video, they demonstrate a do-it-yourself approach to concealing sound, using neoprene rubber and glue to create and attach soundproof pads to everything from the bottom of a coffee mug to the soles of an actor's shoes. If you want to learn more about the art of indie filmmaking and cinematic audio, I have a link to The Film Look's "Indie Film Sound Guide" video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6MEJd_rGvI

But when it comes to bigger productions, the silent props are more likely being bought rather than built, and they're sold by pioneering prop master Tim Schulz and his company Prop TRX, the only dedicated maker of noiseless props. From paper bags made from coffee filter fabric and gift tissue that hardly makes a sound to clear rubber ice cubes that don't clink against the glass, his storefront's becoming popular not only with filmmakers but with curious people who just want to see what the fuss is about.

There’s a video link on my blog to a wonderful interview with Tim Schulz about how he creates his silent props, as well as a link to Prop TRX’s homepage so you can take a look for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6btmJSRueE

https://www.proptrx.com/

If you want to hear just what a silent lunch bag or noiseless cellophane wrap sounds like, there’s also a video link on my blog to one of my favorite ASMR artists as she compares everyday items with their silent movie prop versions. Even if you aren’t usually into ASMR, it’s a fascinating video that shows just how much quieter the silent props really are in comparison, and definitely worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWE80uDCYM

As the modern world becomes a faster, busier, and noisier place, more and more attention is being paid to the soundscapes that we create, intentionally or even by accident. Whether it's with silent props, musical branding, or audio interfaces, we're working to create a world filled with the sounds we want to hear.

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“I think doctors use a term called modifiable risk factor, I've learned, because I talk to a lot of doctors now, and so there are some things we can modify and some things that we can't. And so these alarm sounds are very much a modifiable risk factor, and we need to work together to figure out the better set of sounds to use and how to implement them. But it's definitely something that we can do to improve, because I hope that when the time comes and I'm spending time in a hospital, or my parents are in the hospital, or people I care about, these kinds of things are in a better state. Because there's no technical reason we have to be subject to this so-called ‘beeping hellscape.’” -- Dr. Michael Schutz

This week we continue my interview with Associate Professor and MAPLE Lab director Dr. Michael Schutz as we talk about making a better hospital beep, the importance of turning scientific discovery into progress, and MAPLE Lab’s latest experiments on giving sounds more "pop".

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com web page) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

The Structure of Sound

We start the second half of the interview with a closer look at hospital alerts, how many more of them there are today, and why Dr. Schutz doesn’t see that trend changing anytime soon. “If we think about the whole device landscape in hospitals as sounds being an auditory interface,” he explains, “then the question becomes what's the best way to structure the sound, not so that they're most alarming, but so that they're the most communicative.'"

All Over the World

Dr. Schutz explains the challenge and importance of turning scientific discoveries into genuine progress, and how even something as seemingly simple as updating the sound of hospital alerts can have far-reaching results. "Thinking a little bit more about how we can improve them with sound will have huge benefits,” he says, “because hospitals all over the world have many of these devices, and the number of devices is only increasing. So even a small change in the improvement in these can have a major impact on human health."

The Bells and Whistles

"I think the language itself that we talk about the frills is revealing,” Dr. Schutz tells us., “If we're talking about the things that are nice but not necessary, the literal term is bells and whistles: we're talking about the things that produce sound." We talk about how easy it is to overlook sound itself even while trying to improve the soundscape, and his lab's latest research on innovative ways to make important auditory alerts stand out from the background noise without having to make them louder.

Episode Summary

• Why hospital beeps are getting worse
• Turning discoveries into reform and progress
• How subtle changes can create a major impact
• The overlooked importance of sound

Connect with Dr. Michael Schutz:

Website: www.michaelschutz.net

MAPLE Lab: www.maplelab.net

“Death By Beep” on TEDx Talks: https://youtu.be/Ap8geRll6F0/

Dr Schutz’s ScienceDirect Article on Improving Auditory Interfaces: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702100079X/

Follow Dr. Michael Schutz on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/maplelab.mcmaster/

Connect with Dr. Michael Schutz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-michael-schutz/

Follow Dr. Schutz and MAPLE Lab on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MAPLE_Lab/

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“Ultimately the sound is almost irrelevant to the musical experience, with the important caveat that what matters about the sound is the psychological process it triggers in the mind of the listener. So it obviously plays an important role there, but what really matters is how it's being perceived and how it's being heard. So if there's something like a gesture that can change the perception, then you have changed the music, because music is something that really exists only in the mind of the listener.” --  Dr. Michael Schutz

This episode's guest is the Associate Professor of Music Cognition/Percussion at McMaster University.  Drawing on his interdisciplinary training in music, psychology, and computer science, he directs the MAPLE Lab, which researches Music, Acoustics, Perception, and Learning, while also conducting the McMaster Percussion Ensemble and serving on faculty at the Honors Music Institute in Pennsylvania.  Designated a "University Scholar" in recognition of his innovative merging of music performance and perception, he's received the Ontario Early Researcher Award and the 2019 Alumni Award from the Penn State School of Music, as well as numerous grants to support his research. Before McMaster, he spent five years as Director of Percussion Studies at Longwood University, taught percussion at Virginia Commonwealth University, and performed frequently with symphonies.

His TEDx Talk “Death by Beep” is now available on the TED website and the below YouTube link. His name is Dr. Michael Schutz and you'll want to hear his suggestions about how to fix a very real problem that’s happening right now in hospitals all over the world.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

Listening to the Echoes

The show starts with Dr. Schutz recounting a memorable early experience with sound, how he first discovered the mystery of echoes as a child by dropping his lunchbox and listening to the sound bounce off a neighbor’s house, and then the day that he received his first drumset, a Rototom that sparked his passion for music. “I just remember,” he recalls, “at the moment thinking that there’s something really fascinating about these percussive musical sounds.”

Questions of Psychology

We continue with his introduction to psychology, and how his early skepticism about the importance of body language while playing the marimba gave way to the understanding that music and psychology have a lot in common, and that in some ways music stands at the forefront of psychology. “I realized,” he tells us, “that a lot of the things that we spend a lot of time exploring as musicians are, essentially, you can think about them as questions of psychology.”

Magic Between the Ears

Dr. Schutz goes on to talk about the McGurk Effect, a dramatic example of how what we're seeing can quite literally change the way we perceive sound, and the surprisingly complex and active role that the listener plays in a musical performance. "Music is something that really exists only inside the mind of the listener," he explains. "Outside our minds, it's a bunch of sound waves, a bunch of air molecules bumping together. The magic happens between the ears."

A Musical Perspective

The first part of our interview concludes with a look at the limitations of audio research and how his team is working to bring a musical perspective into the medical field and find ways to reduce the stress, turmoil, and even accidental deaths that hospital alarms can still cause. “The medical technology's advanced incredibly over the past half-century,” he says, “but the sounds seem to be stuck with these limitations that went out of date decades ago.”

Episode Summary

• Dr. Schutz’s childhood sounds and first drumkit
• The link between music and psychology
• The McGurk Effect and how sight affects sounds
• How the listener’s brain creates music
• Creating a better, safer hospital alarm

Be sure to check back next week for part two as we talk about the prevalence of those flat hospital beeps throughout our lives, the effect they can have on us, and how Dr. Schutz and MAPLE Lab are working to help create a healthier, more natural medical soundscape.

Connect with Dr. Michael Schutz:

Website: www.michaelschutz.net

MAPLE Lab: www.maplelab.net

“Death By Beep” on TEDx Talks: https://youtu.be/Ap8geRll6F0/

Dr Schutz’s ScienceDirect Article on Improving Auditory Interfaces: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702100079X/

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“As human beings, we like to praise others that we believe are doing a great job. The thing is to make the ask easy to answer. So if you say 'can you record a one-minute video,' they would do it – I'm sure they would all do it – but it would be heavier. The lighting has to be good, you cannot have a bad hair day, and so on, whereas in voice you just need to make sure that your voice is okay.” -- Dr. Ahmed Bouzid

In this episode, we continue my interview with Dr. Ahmed Bouzid, renowned speech technologist and Witlingo founder and CEO, as we talk about the Open Voice Network and the future of audio social media.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

Speaking Your Knowledge

We begin the second half of the interview by talking about how Witlingo and internet audio can help democratize creativity, allowing people who might shy away from posting videos and pursuing more restrictive forms of audio expression to nonetheless find their voice in online audio communities. As Dr. Bouzid puts it, “there are lots and lots of people who have lots and lots of knowledge, and the best way for them to share that knowledge is just to speak it.”

The Social Audio Thing

Our discussion focuses on social audio apps as well at the nonprofit Open Voice Network, the ethics of voice AI and social audio, and the power of major companies like Twitter and Facebook to shape the industry. “This social audio thing, I don't think we understand it really that much right now. I think we have the basics of it, but I think where it's going to go and what it's going to be in a year or two, five years, I don't think we really know right now.”

Finding Your Voice Online

“I think there should be mechanisms,” Dr. Bouzid says as we talk about the future of social audio. “It cannot be left to these private companies to dictate things that have massive consequences.” He goes on to tell us about his work with Witlingo and the versatility it’ll give users, allowing fans and creators to share content and feedback, and the interview wraps up on a lighter note as we discover a somewhat surprising hobby that we happen to have in common.

Episode Summary

• Witlingo and the ease of social audio
• The ethics and dangers of voice AI
• The challenge of an open audio future
• How Witlingo can bring users together

Connect with Dr. Ahmed Bouzid

Witlingo: https://witlingo.com/

The Fish & the Bird: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ahmedbouzid_voicefirst-sonic-sonicmarketing-activity-6818992542961438721-2Dvl

Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/didou/

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“I would say that the core driver has always been trying to enable more folks to engage, more people to be able to express themselves. So when I go back and look at all the things in my life, that seems to be the theme." --  Dr. Ahmed Bouzid

This episode's guest is the founder and CEO of Witlingo, a McLean, Virginia-based company that builds tools for publishing sonic experiences, from Alexa Skills, Google Actions, and Bixby Capsules to Microcasts and social audio products and solutions. Before Witlingo, he was the Head of Product at Amazon Alexa and the Vice President of Product at Genesys.

He holds twelve patents in Human Language Technology, is an Ambassador at The Open Voice Network, an Editor at The Social Epistemology Review and Reply Collective (SERRC), and was recognized as a "Speech Luminary" by Speech Technology Magazine, as well as among the Top 11 Speech Technologists by Voicebot.ai. His name is Dr. Ahmed Bouzid, and if you have any interest in the future of voice and technology, this will be an enlightening discussion. 

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes.  If you have questions for me, just visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

Better Than Computers

Dr. Bouzid starts the interview by recalling his formative years in Casablanca, and his memories of waking up to the sounds of chickens on his family’s villa. He goes on to tell us about his work as a software engineer and how computers still have a long way to go to catch up with human language skills.  “Language is a very fascinating problem to solve from the technological perspective,” he explains, “one of the hardest problems in artificial intelligence.”

Teaching a Machine Manners

We take a deeper look at the paradox of machine learning versus the human brain, how people have evolved around the use of language in a way that computers haven't. "Some people say that we are wired for language," he tells us, "that it's something that we are born with." Even something as seemingly simple as being polite can be almost impossible to program into a computer since it depends on so many cultural and social cues that we don't usually think about.

The Fish and the Bird

Next, we talk about Witlingo and the challenges facing voice-first systems like Alexa and Siri.  Dr. Bouzid explores one of those challenges with a story he calls the Fallacy of the Fish and the Bird that illustrates the temptation to judge a new product using the same metrics that we used for the older ones, even when they don’t make sense. As he put it, “the metrics of the fish don't apply to the bird, and, also, there are a lot more fish than there are birds.”

Thinking Like a Bot

The first half of our interview focuses on the advantages and limitations of chatbots, the uncanny valley that an almost-human voice system can fall into, and his approach to making AI voices and voice-first interfaces more accessible. “I subscribe to the school of thought that says we should not try to have the bot emulate the human being,” Dr. Bouzid explains. “The conversation between a human being and a bot is different than a human being to a human being.”

Episode Summary

• Dr. Bouzid’s early childhood in Morocco
• Why humans are better at speech than computers
• The challenges of teaching an AI language
• Witlingo and the metrics of voice-first software
• How we talk to and interact with voice AI

Connect with Dr. Ahmed Bouzid

Witlingo: https://witlingo.com/

The Fish & the Bird: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ahmedbouzid_voicefirst-sonic-sonicmarketing-activity-6818992542961438721-2Dvl

Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/didou/

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“So brands are trying to find a voice which is sympathetic, which is sincere, and we think music can play a big role in that. Because if you like music, you like it, you don't judge it. You don't question the intentions of an artist. You just love the piece of music.” -- Rajeev Raja

This week we continue my interview with musician, soundsmith, and BrandMusiq founder Rajeev Raja as we talk about no-contact business branding, sonic branding in the retail market, and the challenge of bringing the nuance of branding to musical logos.

Keeping the Brand Alive

We start the second half of the interview with a look at how the pandemic has changed the relationship between businesses and their customers, and how sonic branding can help preserve a sense of connection even in the absence of face-to-face transactions. “They've discovered that having a sonic identity,” Rajeev explains, “transmits an emotion which can actually keep their brand alive in the emotional dimension, and raise their emotional quotient and keep it there.”

The Subconscious Level

After that, we talk about the power of MOGOs and audio branding in the age of social media, the challenge and opportunity to differentiate brands using audio, and the influence it can have on a deeper, more subconscious level than most marketers consider. “When you create a sonic identity for a brand,” he says, “and wherever the brand is heard, it's not just about creating a jingle and saying hey, hey, hey, listen to me – it's also the feeling that you leave behind.”

Mapping Society’s Mood

We wrap up the interview by considering how many different aspects of our lives are being revolutionized by sound and the potential for sonic branding, from custom sounds in electric vehicles to healing sounds in hospitals, and how this new soundscape can reflect and even help improve the mood of our global society. "During Covid, I used to just play healing tunes on the flute, and started sharing it," he tells me, "and I started realizing the power, the honest feelings that you have. Close your eyes, listen to that piece of music, and it's like you put the worries of the world away for a while."

The Theory Behind MOGOs

If you’d like to learn more about Rajeev’s theory of MOGOs, check out his TED talk “The Enchanting Theory Behind MOGOs” at https://youtu.be/hBhREwd-LaM. You’ll get to hear him demonstrate the concept with a beautiful flute performance and learn more about how, as he puts it in the video, a MOGO, or musical logo, is “the shortest distance between a brand and the consumer's heart.”

Episode Summary

• How audio can help strengthen brand relationships
• Audio branding and the social media revolution
• The power of sound to make a subconscious impression
• How sound can change the way we see the world
• Rajeev’s Theory of MOGOs on YouTube

Connect with Rajeev

Website: https://brandmusiq.com/

The enchanting theory behind MOGOs | Rajeev Raja | TEDxSIULavale: https://youtu.be/hBhREwd-LaM

Follow Rajeev Raja on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rajarajeev/

Connect with Rajeev Raja on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajeev-raja-1b0b1649/

Listen to Rajeev Raja on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/brandmusiq

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