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“And I read this book, it was about acoustic communication. It was about how sound in everyday life mediates our relationship to the environment, and how we use it to communicate with each other, and so on, and that opens really a totally new field for me. So this was kind of the ignition, probably, for me to enter the non-musical sound world, which I’m still in. So there’s the world of noises, of everyday sounds and so on, and that’s how it started, basically. And from there I then came into interaction game design more or less by accident, and they had no one that knew anything about sound. And I kind of built up in this relatively new field of interaction game design at the time. This was in the early noughties.” – Daniel Hug

This episode’s guest is a sound and interaction designer who co-directs the Master’s in Sound Design at Zurich University of the Arts. His work explores how sound shapes our experiences, from health technology to movement and education. He’s a leader in Sonic Interaction Design who serves on the steering committees for key sound design conferences and awards, and through research, teaching, and hands-on design, he bridges science, creativity, and business. He’s also a fellow jury member of the International Sound Awards, which is how we met. His name is Dr. Daniel Hug, and we’ll be exploring how sound can influence how we feel, move, and interact with the world around us.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:01) - Exploring Early Sound Memories and Design

Our conversation starts with Daniel’s earliest memory of sound, a lightning bolt striking a river one night when he was child. “It was like somebody just jumping on top of a huge church organ,” he says, “with the whole body, like really all the keys playing at once… it was really amazing, [and] I have never heard this again.” We talk about how he got into sound, from jazz school and piano lessons to his early work on video-game sound design, and he recalls how a book by composer Barry Truax changed his perspective on sound and music. “It was about acoustic communication,” Daniel recalls. “It was about how sound in everyday life mediates our relationship to the environment and how we use it to communicate with each other and so on, and that opened a totally new field for me.”

(0:13:19) - Creating Environmental Sound Innovations

Our discussion turns to his work with Caru, a medical company whose devices use an audio-first UX, and the importance of considering how such work contributes to and fits into the user’s soundscape. “That’s our sonic environment and that’s our relationship to this environment,” he explains, “and by designing it, we design experiences or we contribute to experiences which are multi-sensory all the time. So even if there is no sound, there is a sound, but it’s one that you didn’t design.” We talk about how he draws inspiration from such wide-ranging sources as nature sounds to sci-fi movies, and how quickly those sounds can become integrated into our everyday experiences, regardless of their origin. “Design quality is only one aspect,” he says, “but the other aspect is to have positive experiences together with a certain sound that makes the sound actually work. Like a coffee machine doesn’t make a nice sound, but we love it because it’s related to this act of producing coffee.”

(0:24:27) - The Art of Sound Growth

As the first half of our discussion wraps up, he shares a few samples of his UX work and tells us more about how he blends familiar and impossible sounds together into a unique design. “I always try to design sounds in a way that uses layers,” he says, “actually many layers, really, along with traces of familiar, material sounds with more synthetic stuff, but with the goal that the individual components cannot be extracted clearly, that you get more the feeling of something.” We touch on the impact of AI and how it challenges sound designers to push themselves further. “Maybe that’s one positive aspect,” Daniel tells us, “it pushes you to focus on our thinking out of the box and thinking in terms that a probabilistic machine doesn’t anticipate, and thus creating sound experiences that are new.”

Episode Summary

• How jazz, piano, and a bolt of lightning helped shape Daniel’s career in sound design.
• Daniel’s work on the audio-first UX design of Caru, a screenless medical alert device.
• Weaving new audio UX sounds and the surrounding soundscape into a seamless whole.

Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Daniel and I talk about the cautionary tales that Hollywood franchises like the MCU offer to sound designers, what video games and household audio sounds have in common, and Daniel’s approach to making sound design more inclusive.

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“I said, ‘this is a tsunami that is coming, and I'm either going to be crushed by it and drowned under it and it's going to destroy everything I've built, or I'm going to learn to surf the big waves, and I'm going to do whatever I have to do to surf this wave,’ which is what I did sort of at the dawn of online video. I was sort of one of the first probably one hundred agencies in the country that were consistently making online video back in 2008 or 2009. So was a brand new thing, right? And so, I just decided, okay, I'm going to do that again. And once I made that decision, I actually got excited again, and my entrepreneurial instincts kicked in, and it was not fun. I sort of had to set off a grenade in the middle of my own business and say, okay, I'm going to start over.” – Wil Seabrook

This episode is the second half of my conversation with singer, songwriter, and Light Touch Media Group’s founder and chief creative Wil Seabrook as we talk about where the AI revolution is leading the music industry, the one mistake small-business owners and freelancers make when it comes to finding clients, and how a retro-themed ad campaign made a splash in the TikTok era.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:01) - Navigating AI in Changing Business Landscape

The second half of our conversation picks up with a look at AI’s growing impact on the music industry, and where Wil sees it all heading. “I am an eternal optimist as a person,” he explains, “and so I think we are in so many ways we're actually headed for a golden age. I think we're going to solve a lot of logistical problems, a lot of medical and health problems.” He tells us more about how we might eventually get to that point, and some of the hurdles we’ll need to overcome, and the role human artists have to play. “It needs artists, it needs creative people guiding it, shaping it,” he says. “If you're going to change the system, essentially change it from the inside. I think that's very important.”

(0:10:29) - Evolution of Technology in Business

Wil shares the biggest mistake he sees when working with voice talent: “The number one mistake that I see small business owners of all kinds make, but this absolutely goes for voiceover artists [and] other types of creative people, they just don't promote remotely enough.” He offers his tips on getting your name and brand out there as an artist, and the value of human creativity, even if it seems like AI can do it all. “If you have an innate talent that moves people,” Wil says, “that people gravitate toward, it's special and it's worth cultivating. It's worth persisting, it's worth learning and stumbling and scraping your knees and getting back up again, because that's not a gift that everybody's given.”

Episode Summary

• AI's impact on the music industry, and how business models have begun to adapt.
• How COVID-19 democratized audio production and where things might be headed.

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“I will say, as someone who has auditioned hundreds and hundreds, if not over a thousand, voiceover artists and listened to very talented people doing the same take over and over again, the recording quality, the sound quality, absolutely matters. And it's an immediate… There are so many people for me where it's an immediate ‘no,’ because the moment I hear the sound quality and it's not totally up to a pro level, I assume tons of things about that.” – Wil Seabrook

This episode’s guest is a former Warner Bros recording artist and the founder of two award-winning creative agencies, and he’s produced over 8,000 videos and commercials for some of the world's biggest and most successful companies. His name is Wil Seabrook, and this week we’ll be talking about how sound design affects his creative process, what people should keep in mind about sound when it comes to their own projects, and what role he sees AI playing in the short and long term when it comes to sounds of all sorts. If you work in sound and you’re struggling to find your place in the modern marketplace? You’ll definitely want to listen in on this conversation.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:01) - Musicians' Early Sound Influences and Journeys

As our conversation starts, Wil recall his earliest memories of sound, and the impression that hearing a Simon & Garfunkel song made on both him and his parents. “I came home from preschool,” he recalls, “and I was talking to my mother, and I kept saying Funkle, Funkle. She's like, ‘what the heck are you talking about? You want a pencil?’ And she finally figured out that I wanted to listen to Simon & Garfunkel.” He talks about his early career as a musician, some of his missteps along the way and how he’s helped his son avoid them, and how social media has transformed the music scene. “I think the rise of social media,” he says, “the way things have changed in the last ten, fifteen years, you just realize what an incredible amount of talent there is in the world… now you can just sit down with your phone and a guitar and make a beautiful noise and inspire people, and I do think that part's neat.”

(0:08:57) - The Power of Music in Communication

The discussion continues as Wil talks about his shift from working with Fortune 500 companies to helping small businesses establish their brand, and the different approach it requires. “It's a much more emotional journey,” he explains. “But I get to be more helpful with more things. I'm not just creating content, I'm helping them put it out into the world, improve their business, and I find that fun and engaging.” He also offers some firsthand advice to voice actors who might find themselves frustrated with the auditioning process. “Don't automatically assume that you did something wrong,” he tells us, “or that you've made a mistake, or that you're not talented, or that you're not doing everything right. You could do everything right and still not be the person who gets selected.”

(0:14:20) - Creating Music for Brands With Purpose

As the first half of our conversation comes to a close, Wil shares a surprising discovery about the power of authenticity while recording an Instagram spot. “I did two versions in the studio and, on a friend's recommendation, I did a version on my couch, just to see. The version on my couch outperformed the other two versions, two to one.” He points out the work that can go into such seemingly organic spots, however, and cautions against not taking it seriously. “It's very important for people to understand that simple or homemade style does not mean that it's not produced,” he explains. “It's just a different medium, in a way, than trying to make a TV show or a movie.”

Episode Summary

• Will shares his musical journey, from old records and school choirs to recording singles.
• Sound’s subliminal impact on consumers and how clients can tap into that power.
• How the right environment and equipment can make or break a voiceover audition.

Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Wil and I discuss AI’s place in the music industry and Wil’s own business, why he thinks we may be in for a new golden age once the dust settles, and how musicians and producers are adapting to the mile-a-minute landscape of social media.

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“I think sound is important because I believe it's the first sense that we develop even before we're born. And it's a way of knowing things, knowing the world. Even if you have your eyes shut, you can feel the place. You can feel if it's a big space, if it's an open space, a closed space. So I think it's our most basic feeling instinct that we have, and I remember, before my daughter was born, I would sing for her and her mom’s belly, would move. She would react to sound even before she was born. Yeah, so that's why I think sound is really, really important in everything.” – Humberto Franco

This episode’s a little different than most of our podcasts here at Audio Branding. Instead of a conversation in my studio, this one follows my journey through Portugal, exploring the soundscapes of the Douro vineyards and a boat ride in Aveiro to the hustle and bustle of the Porto airport. This episode also features a very special guest. Humberto Franco is the producer and editor of Audio Branding: The Hidden Gem of Marketing, and he’s a professional, multilingual voice actor, a proud dad, an audio, video, and podcast editor and producer, and self-professed computer geek.

We had a chance to catch up during my trip to Europe, and I know firsthand that Humberto has a great deal of insight into the power of sound, from how he approaches video and audio editing to his thoughts on how sound shapes every aspect of our lives. Stay tuned for a fascinating conversation about Humberto’s perspective as an editor and a behind-the-scenes look at Audio Branding itself, framed against the lively audio backdrop of the sights and sounds of Portugal.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - Exploring the Power of Sound

Our conversation begins along a bridge near the city of Régua, surrounded by green hills and lush grape vines, and Humberto shares his earliest memory of sounds, including his parents’ ABBA albums. “I started to wake up in the morning,” he tells us, “go downstairs to the living room, started to play ABBA music, which was a nightmare for my parents.” We move on to a restaurant in Porto and a conversation over dinner, one that begins with Humberto’s question about the process of becoming a guest on Audio Branding. He in turn shares his process for smoothing out the bumpy road podcast interviews can sometimes take. “I put all the files, the video files and the audio files, in sync and then I'll go through the conversation,” he explains. “If there's a mistake, I will take it. There are tricks that, if there's a cut that I need to make, that I'm able to hide it with some magic sauce, I'll do it.”

(0:14:09) - Exploring the Importance of Sound

Our next stop is a ride aboard a traditional moliceiro boat in the city of Aveiro, and Humberto talks about what inspired his career and his hopes for the future of sound. “For me,” he explains, “it's to see how far technology can take us, how deep can our knowledge and our curiosity can take us into the world of sounds, and to find new things, like small hidden corners of our brain that a sound can light up. And that's what the future brings.” As we arrive at the Porto airport, Humberto and I discuss the inspiration and goal of Audio Branding, and he closes with his thoughts about the importance of sound in our lives. “It's a way of knowing things,” he tells us. “knowing the world. Even if you have your eyes shut, you can feel the place… I think it's our most basic feeling instinct that we have.”

Episode Summary

• As we travel through Portugal, Humberto and I discuss podcasting and audio production.
• The future of Audio Branding and the impact of sound in Humberto’s own life.

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“And if you have fun with it, that's going to come across and, I think that's the missing piece. That's where I would start. If I was going to really trust an agency or musicians to create something for me, it was, like, how do we have a conversation or multiple conversations to get us to the most fun way of executing this? Because if you're having fun, you're going to come up with something unique. If you're not having fun, you're just going to try and get it out the way as quick as possible, right? If it's just transactional, I don't think anybody really gets to that point of exploring an idea beyond what's written on the paper. Although it's hard to predict what makes a successful Sonic brand, I think it's more about the process that gets you to that place.” – George Holliday

This episode is the second half of my conversation with producers, composers, and founders of creative music agency Hear Me Out, George Holliday and Luke Moseley as they share their thoughts on what defines a sonic brand, how AI is reshaping the music and advertising industries, and their message to the next generation of musicians as they grow up in the age of generated content.

As always, if you have questions for my guests, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - Creating a Sonic Branding Strategy

The second half of our conversation picks up as Luke shares his thoughts on what makes or breaks an audio brand. “I think, for me, a successful sonic branding strategy is something that has the lowest friction to actually getting to market,” he says, “to showing people the effectiveness of it, and then it can just be developing from there.” “I also think we kind of rely on statistics far too much in the creative phase of doing all of this,” George adds, recalling his marketing experience prior to founding Hear Me Out. “I think when we really understand the brand and you get to have fun with what it is they're about, that's what's going to make the most successful sonic logo for them.”

(0:07:31) - Exploring AI's Impact on Music

“That's not really what brands are employing us for and having us as partners,” Luke notes as he and George discuss their Hear Me Out clients. “It's for the understanding, it's for the ability to translate their larger goals and their marketing strategy and how music can help elevate that and support it.” Our talk turns to AI and how much it’s impacted the audio industry over the past year or so, and whether machine-generated music might someday replace human artists. “I was thinking about when CGI came into the film industry,” George observes, “and everyone was like, ‘Oh, nobody's gonna go out and make films anymore. We're just gonna hire a studio and make everything in one room.’”

(0:12:43) - The Impact of CGI and AI

George notes that CGI hasn’t replaced cinematography as much as people expected, partially because movie franchises like Mission: Impossible take pride in their authenticity. “It wasn't CGI,” he says, “because Tom Cruise wouldn't allow it to be CGI. He demands that you would hang off the plane, right? That's why we love watching Mission Impossible and I think that's for me, why I still have hope for music in an AI world.” Luke recalls his conversations with a friend at Pixar during the first rush of CGI films, and how the industry eventually found its balance. “Everyone that was using pen and paper thought ‘I'm out of a job,’” he notes. “And then, all of a sudden, it's like, ‘Oh, now, all my friends have jobs as long as we can use this computer.”

(0:22:02) - The Power of Sound and Music

With our conversation coming to a close, George and Luke offer their advice to the next generation as it navigates social media, streaming media, and generated content. “It would just be trust themselves.” Luke says. " I think it's so easy now, particularly with everyone trying to fit in, and, you know, the world of music and the world of being in music is not a particularly easy one. It's very rewarding, you know, and it's a privilege to be able to, to be in it, but it's not the easiest.” George adds his thoughts and reminds us to hold onto the things that set us apart from algorithmic content. “That's the thing we should never lose touch with,” he says, “our understanding or just feeling. You don't have to understand why, you just have to understand that, that is something that you're feeling.”

Episode Summary

• Luke and George’s approach to developing unique sonic logos for brands.
• How AI has reinvented music composition, and human creativity’s role in AI music.
• Exploring the potential of the human brain and AI consciousness.
• Insights into enhancing a brand's auditory presence through sonic branding.

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“You know it's the way that news passed between villages before there were any written word, you know, for anything to get around. I think we all know that it's incredibly integral to, initially, to survival, let alone to emotion. You know, if you could wrap important news in memorable melodies, then people were going to be less likely to die back in the day. So, I think there's a part of that within all of us. So yeah, I think you can speak very little of the same language but still be connected instantaneously through music. I guess that’s what my travels have taught me.” – Luke Moseley

This episode’s guests are a pair of composers and producers who launched creative music agency Hear Me Out because of their frustration with how the traditional agency model removed the musicians from the decision makers. Hear Me Out is now unlocking value for brands with a tool that’s been used for decades but is hugely underutilised today – and that tool is sound.

Their names are George Holliday and Luke Moseley, and we’ll be diving into how sound shapes emotion, memory, and connection from music to business. We’ll also hear from them how taking risks, following curiosity, and listening deeply have guided their creative journey. Get ready for a fascinating conversation about the power of sound!

As always, if you have questions for my guests, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:01) - Musicians' Early Sound Influences and Journeys

Our conversation begins with George and Luke’s early memories of sound, and the influences that led them to a career in audio branding. “There was always a piano in the house in all of my family,” George recounts, “with all my family, and we always used to gather around and just sing badly, whether it be at Christmastime or just the weekend.” They share their musical journey, literally in Geroge’s case as he toured Europe by bus, and Luke likewise recalls his early days as an indie musician on the road. “Mine was just going to places to play shows,” Luke explains. “I always just traveled with my longboard skateboard duct-taped to the outside of my guitar case.”

(0:08:57) - The Power of Music in Communication

Luke and George share what their early experiences taught them about music’s power to transcend borders and even language. “You can speak very little of the same language,” Luke says, “but still be connected pretty instantaneously through music. I guess this is what my travels have taught me.” George adds his thoughts about the different cultural directions music has evolved in, and what they have in common. “I think that's why we always, as a species,” he notes, “come back to percussive elements, more so than we come back to melodic elements. I think there's some kind of group feeling about that as well. There's a togetherness with percussion that really makes it work.”

(0:14:20) - Creating Music for Brands With Purpose

As the first half of our discussion concludes, George and Luke explain what inspired them as musicians to found their sonic branding agency Hear Me Out. “The thing that separates us from the others is we still make the music,” Luke says. “Like, we're the founders and we make the music.” George recalls the process behind their work on Sky Bingo’s audio brand campaign, which included live singers and instruments. “We were actually able to make real human music,” he explains, “because they wanted to connect with humans and actually make a point about the fact that they weren’t a fussy brand.”

Episode Summary

• George and Luke's early musical memories and family influences.
• Music as a universal connector, its cultural variations, and its emotional resonance.
• How George and Luke used natural acoustics to create a unique ad campaign.

Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Luke and George talk about their approach to building a sonic branding strategy, what the growth of audio AI has in common with Hollywood’s CGI revolution, and how new technology, including AI, has and is still leading to whole new musical genres.

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“I have a friend who’s a library film composer and produces podcasts, and I was talking to him, I was giving him the kind of same thesis I talked about today. And he’s like, ‘yeah, I get it. But like, I’m the one who’s going to lose the job.’ Cause what he, this very specific, specified job he has [is] of composing kind of anonymous music for podcasts. And he’s successful, he wrote the theme of Serial, and he’s done a lot of big podcasts in New York Times and NPR and, uh, and he’s like, that’s probably the functional music which employed a lot of composers is probably not going to be needed as much.” – Drew Thurlow

This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder of Opening Ceremony Media and author of Machine Music: How AI is Transforming Music’s Next Act Drew Thurlow as we discuss the surprising musical trend Drew foresees as AI becomes more commonplace, the one lesson he always shares with music students when it comes to the future of AI, and the ripple effects that generated audio content and voice clones have already started to have across the music industry.

 As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - Future of AI in Creative Aesthetics

We pick up the conversation as Drew offers his prediction of how AI music, over time, might become as retro and nostalgic as lofi music today. “I have this theory that with all these AI hallucinations that are happening,” he explains, “that’s going to become its own creative aesthetic, and you’re going to start to see the AI vocal models, you know, the early AI vocal models [return].” He shares his observations as a guest lecturer and why he’s optimistic about the next generation’s relationship with AI, and the lesson he always shares with students. “I’d encourage students to have curiosity be your superpower,” he says. “And community is also really, really important. It was really important for me when I was starting out twenty, twenty-five years ago. It’s even more important now, with so much more noise out there and so many more distractions and so much more music and people doing it.”

(0:04:43) - Trends in Music Tech Startups

Drew talks about how the industry is evolving as digital media becomes the norm, and the opportunities for AI to increase revenue. “Streaming growth is slowing down,” he tells us. “You know, we’re running out of subscribers in the West and North America, western Europe and North America, and so labels and rights holders and artists are kind of in the mood to count their pennies.” He notes some of the less obvious ways that AI is increasing revenue, such as black box royalty collections and anti-piracy safeguards, and the versatile uses of generated audio content. “Adaptive audio companies [are] using machine learning and generative AI for health,” he says, “also in the gaming environments, which is a big business, where personalized music can adapt to you and your environment. It kind of reads your environment. So those are interesting, interesting companies.”

(0:10:09) - Emerging Trends in Music Tech

As our discussion comes to a close, we talk about how AI music is already impacting the industry, particularly for indie productions and freelance composers. “Generative AI instrumental music is probably going to be fine,” he says, “and they’re on a budget anyway. So it’s like that kind of middle class of artist who makes a living writing music for reality TV and podcasts and independent gaming, that’s probably where it’ll hit the most.” Drew talks about his latest projects, including his upcoming book and how listeners can get in touch, and he notes how quickly things have changed in just the last few months. “I remember the first, like, acoustic guitar sounds that came out of AI were pretty bad,” he tells us, “and I was like, don’t worry everybody, this is going to take a while. And then, six weeks later, it wasn’t true anymore. So I’m not putting any limits on how fast this tech can mature.”

Episode Summary

• Gen Z’s relationship with AI and how hallucinations might become an art form.
• How machine learning has optimized revenue streams and enhanced distribution models.
• AI’s role in gaming, health care, and more as the technology continues to evolve.

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“And we got a new Beatles song. I can’t believe we’re talking about the Beatles…. But John Lennon recorded a really corrupted vocal before he tragically died, and it was just kind of there because of some stem separation tech that is only possible because of machine learning. They were able to clean up the vocals, fully on board with the John Lennon estate and the remaining Beatles members, and there’s a few others, but this is interesting. It’s just, it’s a new way of engaging with audio that people, fans are showing that they really like.” – Drew Thurlow

This episode’s guest is a former professional musician turned music executive and strategist. He served as Senior Vice President of A&R at Sony Music and has held leadership roles at both Pandora and Warner Music. As a graduate of Brown University with a master’s in Technology and Leadership, he blends creative insight with business acumen. His writing has appeared in Billboard, and he remains a sought-after voice on the intersection of music, tech, and innovation. His first book, “Machine Music: How AI is Transforming Music’s Next Act,” will be published in 2026.

His name is Drew Thurlow, and he’s also a fellow jury member for the International Sound Awards, which is how we met. As someone on the forefront of music and technology, he has a lot of great advice for sound creatives wanting to make their mark – both now and into the future.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - Evolution of Music Industry and Taste

Our conversation starts off with Drew’s early memories of sound and his start as a musician. “I was one of those kids,” he recalls, “who just didn’t have idle time without a guitar in my hands, and I didn’t think too much about it. I wasn’t super self-reflective about it, I just kind of like followed my instincts and continued to do that.” He tells us more about his career journey as a music executive and explains how much the business has changed since he first started out. “There’s the whole influencer thing wrapped up in it,” he says, “and the way people, especially Gen Z and younger millennials, fall in love with personalities and artists is different. It’s not necessarily bad, it’s just different.”

(0:12:36) - AI Impact on Music Industry

As the first half of our discussion wraps up, we turn to the question of whether AI might replace human artists, and Drew offers some surprising statistics. “From our best, really good estimates by places like Deezer and Spotify,” he says, “AI-generated music, even though it’s a measurable percentage of all the songs on [digital service providers], is a third of a percent of the royalty pool, and I just want to reiterate that it is a rounding error. Nobody wants this music.” He shares his thoughts on where AI is heading and some of the ways it might help transform the music industry. “On the business side,” he tells us, “there’s a lot of evidence that these fans want to engage with music in cool and interesting ways, and these AI tech tools allow them to do that, and it’s a revenue-generating source.”

Episode Summary

• Drew’s early experiences with music and how he got his start as a music strategist.
• What it means to be an artist in the age of social media and AI-driven content.

Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Drew and I discuss his pivotal role in the International Sound Awards, which AI trends are leading the way in the music business, and how machine learning and generative music are finding uses in everything from video games to medical apps.

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“If you’re watching any video on how to get started on content for your business, for public speaking, anything like that, the microphone is always the number one thing, they say. And that should be a cue. It’s not the phone and it’s not a video camera. They say use your phone to get started, but buy a better mic and there’s a reason that this matters so much to people.” – Nikolaj Kloch

This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder of Thrivr Productions Nikolaj Kloch as we discuss what he’s learned firsthand about sound since becoming a videographer, how AI is reshaping the way we use studio sound effects, and his number one on-site audio rule.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - The Power of Audio Branding

The second half of our conversation picks up as Nikolaj tells us about some of the lessons he’s had to learn by experience while working with sound, such as the hidden biases that have shaped recording equipment for decades. “Audio hardware and software have been set up for a man’s voice, and I didn’t realize this over the years,” he notes. “I had no idea about that, and there’s a lot of intricacies like that which are just out in the industry that have been left over for a hundred years now, and you don’t think how that ties back to history until you dive into it.” He tells us how he incorporates AI into his workflow and where he sees it taking the future of audio/video editing. “I think that’s going to make incredible videography work,” he explains. “I think it’s going to add another layer that you still need people behind it, I think we always will, but… it’s going to be a great tool for us to have.”

(0:14:05) - The Impact of Quality Audio

As our conversation comes to a close, Nikolaj shares his strategy for demonstrating the value of sound to skeptical clients. “Just showing them the difference between well-planned audio and something that is just basic, sounds bad, filmed with an iPhone that they’re holding to their mouth and things like that,” he says. “If you show them the side-by-side, I think that’s the easiest way to show them that the transformation is there.” He talks about his latest projects and how listeners can get in touch, and tells us what opened his eyes to the power of sound. “If you could sit down and watch a single video that shows the before and after,” he says, “it changed my view on audio entirely, and it’s something that I always have... when I show these budgets to public speakers, conferences or businesses.”

Episode Summary

• The importance of choosing – and properly setting up – the right audio equipment,
• How sound empowers everything from shaping a narrative to capturing brand synergy.

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“If you don’t make the video with audio in mind first, that’s the difference between, you know, a 14% click-through rate versus, you know, a 2% click-through rate. And a lot of people don’t tie those two together, that it matters. It’s something that people should be focusing on with a lot of time and energy.” – Nikolaj Kloch

This week’s guest is a videographer, content creator, and former aerospace engineer who helps speakers, entrepreneurs, and brands elevate their presence using impactful video that actually delivers. With a background in both engineering and creative production, he brings a rare mix of precision and artistry to his work, and he’s worked with speakers from TEDx stages to Fortune 500 boardrooms, helping them stand out, connect with audiences, and grow their influence.

His name is Nikolaj Kloch, and he’s passionate about the power of sound and its impact on visuals. Stay tuned as he shares his insights on why audio isn’t just important – it’s essential.

As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.

(0:00:00) - The Power of Audio in Marketing

As we start off our discussion, Nikolaj recalls one of his first memories of sound, a Lego commercial his brother starred in when they were children. “They actually had to bring in a mic and he just hit the blocks over and over to get the sound crumbling,” he recalls. “And you know, you don’t put those together as a kid until you get older, but I can always hear those blocks crumbling.” He shares how his background as an aerospace engineer took a surprising turn towards audio production, and the common threads between the two. “A lot of people think they don’t translate as much,” he explains, “but it’s one of those things where, you know, audio is a great example of the nitty gritty. There are specific engineers that dive into this every single day, and spend nothing else for their time.”

(0:09:12) - Mastering Precision Audio Recording

We talk about precision audio, just what that phrase really means, and the extensive background that getting the most out of audio can require. “It’s kind of like Picasso saying he won’t sell his little picture on his napkin because he’s taken so much time learning this,” Nikolaj says. “And I feel like that directly ties into this, because it’s really precision. You know they have to line up perfectly.” As the first half of our talk wraps up, Nikolaj shares how he aims to create the ideal environment for an on-site recording and how he helps clients work around some less-than-ideal ones. “I’m going to be reusing this over and over,” he says. “So I’m always like, please, let me at least talk to them and see what their setup is, let’s dive into it a bit. They usually get a little annoyed, but it makes a big difference.”

Episode Summary

• How videographer Nikolaj Kloch transitioned from aerospace engineering to sound design.
• Nikolaj’s work with precision audio, from live recordings to film collaborations.

Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Nikolaj shares the lessons he learned from working with Britain’s first female Royal helicopter pilot, where he sees AI taking us when it comes to audio and video production, and the most important message he has to offer about the power of sound.

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