In this episode, Adam Grant and I have a funny, light-hearted discussion about the ways autistic and ADHD people accommodate others, the social barriers within the workforce and interview process, and some strategies that can be used by neurodivergent people in the workplace.
Adam and I present our viewpoints about the struggles of indirect language and the harmful outcomes that indirect language causes. We discuss also what it's like to translate from a systematic bottom up processing to translate that into a top down understanding.
Adam discusses some of the systematic barriers as a manager working in tech, with masking, rejection sensitivity dysphoria struggles, and the inherent translation layer between neurodivergent people and others.
We discuss the importance of accountability, we ways people protect their reputations, and how easy it is to fall into self-rejection traps from the misunderstandings involved in the double empathy problem.
Adam shares his desire to connect with others and learn from them and share what he has learned, but he's concerned that doing so could make others feel belittled.
He talks about how often neurodivergent people have to figure out their own strategies in isolation, how challenging it is, how alienating it can be too.
My goal is to give everyone a reminder that you are allowed to be yourself, that your problems are not in isolation - there is always and will always be another person going through similar challenges to what you're experiencing.
We also discuss the purpose of small talk, how most people get dopamine from small talk, and hopefully making small talk a little more palatable!
Adam explains how you can 'read breadcrumbs' to form better relationships with others.
We talk about a few different books, including 'How To Win Friends and Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and how helpful it was for both of us to use as a guideline to social interactions. We also discuss the value of mimicry to help people to feel safe, comfortable, and included with others.
Thank you so much, Adam Grant, for being willing to publicly share your struggles, sharing your experiences as a tech manager, and bringing such a wonderful humorous discussion into our lives! It has been a pleasure having you on podcast!
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https://www.youtube.com/@AdamGrantDotInfo