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  • Met Gala 2026: The Bezos Backlash, Devil Wears Prada 2, and What It All Means for Anna Wintour

    The 2026 Met Gala has three storylines running at once: Jeff and Lauren Bezos as lead sponsors, The Devil Wears Prada 2 opening the Friday before, and Anna Wintour doing more press than she has in years. Amy sits down with Chantal Fernandez of The Cut to break down all of it — plus predictions for the night.


    0:00 Intro — Why This Met Gala Is Different

    1:14 - Meet Chantal Fernandez

    5:42 The Theme: "Costume Art" & What It Actually Means

    8:01 - The Real Story Nobody's Covering: The New Costume Institute Galleries

    10:17 - How Met Gala Exhibitions Became Museum Blockbusters

    12:35 - How Themes Actually Get Chosen (and Who Funds Them)

    14:02 - Anna's Role: Making Exhibitions Commercial

    19:00 - Why the Met Gala Gets More Criticism Than the Oscars

    21:14 - What Brands Actually Get Out of Spending $350K on a Table

    24:26 - Can You Even Boycott the Met Gala?

    28:06 - Lauren Sanchez, Schiaparelli & the New Ultra-Rich Aesthetic

    30:16 - Breaking Down the NYT Lauren Sanchez Profile

    32:56 - Graydon Carter's Perfect Quote

    40:14 - Fashion Is Losing Power — and the Bezoses Are a Symptom

    44:01 - Anna's Devil Wears Prada 2 Marketing Blitz: Smart or a Mistake?

    49:19 - Predictions for Met Gala Night

    52:49 - Will Devil Wears Prada 2 Be Any Good?

    54:10 - Outro


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    Links & Resources

    📰 Back Row Newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/ 

    📸 Amy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/instamyodell/


    Mentioned in this episode: 

    ↳ Chantal's VIC story

    ↳ Amy’s recent Met Gala reporting

     ↳ NYT profile of Lauren Sanchez by Amy Chozick

    ↳ Chantal’s 2024 Met Gala story 

    ↳ Charlotte Cowles’s story asking Anna if she’s retiring

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    57 min
  • 12 Ultra-Rich People Opened Up About What Money Did to Them

    What does extreme wealth actually do to a person? Their psychology, their relationships, their behavior?

    New York Magazine features writer Lane Brown set out to answer that question by interviewing a dozen ultra-high net worth individuals, people worth $30 million or more. (Read his full story here.) Almost no one wanted to talk. The ones who did had never spoken about this before.

    Lane and Amy discuss what he found: why sudden wealth immediately isolates you, how self-made billionaires think versus inheritors, why the goalpost never stops moving no matter how much you have, and the eight-step psychological descent — mapped out by a therapist who treats the ultra-wealthy — that can turn an ordinary rich person into someone completely detached from reality.

    Part 2 is available to Back Row premium subscribers at backrow.net/subscribe, which includes full newsletter access. You can also subscribe through Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

    CHAPTERS

    00:00 — Introduction

    01:19 — Meet Lane Brown

    02:12 — What Extreme Wealth Does to a Person

    03:21 — The First Thing Money Does: Isolation

    06:36 — Who Counts as Ultra-Wealthy?

    07:28 — How Lane Got Mark Cuban to Talk

    09:31 — Why the Rich Refused to Participate

    11:22 — Self-Made vs. Inherited Wealth

    13:18 — Is It All Just Luck?

    14:16 — The Goalpost That Never Stops Moving

    17:41 — The 8-Step Descent Into Corruption

    20:23 — Do Billionaires Know People Hate Them?

    23:24 — When Luxury Purchases Lose Their Thrill

    27:03 — Are Billionaires Actually Cheap?

    29:02 — The Tax Strategy Behind the Spending

    This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Joyce Ciesil and Jonathan Voytko.

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    33 min
  • Why Anna Wintour Did the 'Vogue' Cover

    This is the audio version of the Back Row newsletter published April 7, 2022.

    What on earth is Anna Wintour doing on the cover of Vogue?! A theory as to why she's leaning so hard into The Devil Wears Prada 2 promo — and what it all says about her legacy.

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    8 min
  • 'The Devil Wears Prada' Rewatch: Was 'Vogue' Really Like That?

    How much was Vogue really like The Devil Wears Prada? Amy Odell sits down with former Vanity Fair critic and the author of the Premiere Party newsletter, Richard Lawson, to rewatch The Devil Wears Prada before the sequel drops.

    Amy interviewed more than 250 people to write Anna: The Biography, including Anna Wintour's closest friends and collaborators. Richard worked at Condé Nast for a dozen years — and has stories. They review the movie's origin story, break down each scene, and talk about what was totally real and what was totally made up.

    In Part 2 for Premium subscribers, the discuss how the movie impacted Anna Wintour's public image and how she really felt about all of it. Part 2 is available to Premium subscribers. Sign up at Back Row for full newsletter access or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

    CHAPTERS:

    01:30 — The Devil Wears Prada Origin Story

    05:50 — How the Film Elevates the Book

    09:10 — Richard’s Real-life Andy Sachs Experience

    17:00 — The Movie’s Opening Montage

    20:10 — Miranda’s Arrival: “A Million Girls Would Kill For This Job”

    24:50 — Andy’s Boring Boyfriend

    31:00 — What was it Really Like for Assistants in the Aughts?

    34:20 — Would Andy Have Succeeded Without Miranda?

    36:50 — The Story Behind the Cerulean Monologue

    42:30 — The Harry Potter Book: Did Miranda Want Andy to Fail?

    45:30 — The Met Gala Scene

    53:50 — Why the Costumes Worked

    Links & Resources:
    Back Row newsletter:
    Premiere Party newsletter
    Get Anna: The Biography

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    58 min
  • Are We Living Through a New Gilded Age?

    Will Kris Jenner's birthday party be immortalized on an HBO show in a hundred years?

    Maybe.

    The Gilded Age was America’s first era of extreme wealth, inequality, and loud luxury, spanning 1870 to 1900. On this episode of the Back Row podcast, which explains how fashion and culture really work, Amy talks to Gilded Age historian and author Elizabeth Block about how shockingly closely society and fashion today mirror the wealthy and luxury industries during that time period.

    Elizabeth is the author of the upcoming book Gilded Age Fashion: More Than 50 Iconic Looks and the Stories Behind Them.

    Their conversation breaks down how Kris Jenner's birthday feels straight out of the late 1880s; how sky-high luxury fashion prices are basically the same as they were back then; the most extreme luxuries of the past and present; and Vogue's Gilded Age origins.

    Listen to Part 2 for Elizabeth’s take on what life was like for the have-nots during the period — and why she sees parallels between Taylor Swift’s wedding and the Gilded Age.

    Part 2 is available to Back Row Premium subscribers. Sign up at BackRow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

    CHAPTERS:

    00:00 — Introducing Dr. Elizabeth Block

    01:20 — Are We Living in a New Gilded Age?

    03:20 — The Gilded Age Weddings

    07:40 — Kris Jenner’s Birthday Party: Gilded Age-Coded?

    11:00 — How Much Did Socialites Spend on Dresses? Then vs. Now

    16:30 — Gossip Columns: What Were the Faux Pas?

    20:30 — Etiquette Books and the Rules of Modesty

    26:20 — Vogue’s Gilded Age Origins

    Links & Resources:

    Back Row Newsletter

    Amy Odell — Instagram

    Elizabeth Block — Instagram

    Newsletter: Gilded Age Fashion

    Books:

    Gilded Age Fashion: More Than 50 Iconic Looks and the Stories Behind Them

    Beyond Vanity: The History and Power of Hairdressing

    This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Joyce Ciesil and Jonathan Voytko.

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    34 min
  • Why Tech Billionaires Are Becoming Fashion’s New Kardashians

    Are tech billionaires the next Kardashians?

    From Mark Zuckerberg sitting front row at Prada to Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez’s Met Gala sponsorship, tech billionaires are increasingly present in the fashion world in 2026. Why is this happening?

    Amy invites tech journalist Taylor Lorenz back on the pod to discuss this controversial relationship between fashion and big tech. They dive into Bezos funding the Met Gala (4:30), why going to fashion shows could be a byproduct of tech backlash (07:00); Mark Zuckerberg at Prada (13:30), the future of space tourism (19:00); and whether smartglasses are fashion or surveillance (24:20). 

    Listen to Part 2 to hear their takes on Bryan Johnson’s ‘Don’t Die’ movement and Clavicular’s Looksmaxxing on the runway — and what these male beauty and wellness trends mean for the future of fashion.

    Part 2 is available to paid subscribers at backrow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify.








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    40 min
  • Inside JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette’s Life on Cape Cod

    What did Love Story get wrong about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette?

    Amy Odell sits down with Kate Storey, author of White House by the Sea, to break down what really happened inside the Kennedy compound — and how the show fictionalizes their lives, relationship, and famous Cape Cod summers. And she answers the urgent question: was there really a breakfast board?!
    Kate spent years reporting on the Kennedy family and shares what the show gets right, what it gets completely wrong, and what their real lives were actually like behind the scenes.
    Sign up for a Premium subscription to Back Row to hear Part 2. Go to BackRow.net to get newsletter access included with your subscription. Or sign up in Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
    CHAPTERS
    01:06 why everyone is watching “love story”

    03:00 inside the real Kennedy compound

    06:00 how the show fictionalizes Hyannis Port

    08:20 how John and Carolyn really started dating

    12:10 when the paparazzi began

    13:00 JFK Jr.’s Cape Cod childhood

    15:40 the treasure diving story

    17:50 the infamous boat moment

    19:20 the “breakfast board” truth

    21:00 Carolyn vs the Kennedy family (real story)

    23:30 what Carolyn was actually like

    27:00 their dinner parties and private life

    28:30 how they really got engaged

    30:00 iconic photos vs reality

    31:00 how accurate is the show overall?

    34:00 their final plans for the house

    36:00 why they didn’t prioritize security

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    41 min
  • Joh Galliano for... Zara?!

    This is the audio version of the Back Row newsletter published Tuesday, March 17.


    After waiting two years for John Galliano's next move, we finally know he's going to Zara. In this analysis, Amy talks about why fashion people have forgiven him for his antisemitic and racist tirades that became public in 2011 and led to him losing his job at Dior — and why this move is a risk for Zara. Amy finishes with the "Loose Threads" news roundup, featuring Adrien Grenier's Devil Wears Prada 2 laments and a funny update about Gwyenth's clothing auction.

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    8 min
  • The Oscars’ Biggest Fashion Stories: Anna Wintour, the Timothée Backlash, & Is Chanel Good Again?

    Amy Odell is joined by Heather Cocks and Jessica Morgan of ⁠Go Fug Yourself⁠ and the ⁠Drinks With Broads⁠

    newsletter to break down the biggest fashion stories from Oscars night—and what they reveal about Hollywood right now.

    They discuss Anna Wintour’s surprise appearance (and why she’s leaning into The Devil Wears Prada 2), the backlash against Timothée Chalamet and what it says about celebrity culture, and the ongoing dominance of luxury brands like Chanel and Dior on the red carpet.

    Plus: the state of red carpet coverage, why it feels increasingly sanitized, and the looks that worked—and didn’t.

    In part two, we get into the media’s Ozempic discourse, Chanel vs. Dior, and why the K-pop Demon Hunters cast didn’t get the attention they deserved.

    CHAPTERS

    00:00 The Oscars as luxury marketing

    05:00 Why everything in Hollywood is too long
    09:30 The biggest fashion stories
    10:30 The problem with red carpet coverage
    19:00 The Timothée backlash
    26:00 Kylie Jenner and celebrity optics
    29:00 Anna Wintour at the Oscars
    35:00 Chanel vs. Dior
    40:00 The best (and safest) looks

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    51 min
  • Fashion Month Awards Part One: Chanel’s New Era & Tech Billionaires in the Front Row (with Dana Thomas)

    Paris Fashion Week wrapped up the Fall 2026 shows, so Amy Odell and New York Times bestselling author Dana Thomas are handing out the Fashion Month Awards.

    Together they break down the biggest moments from New York, Milan, and Paris Fashion Week, including:

    • Prada’s viral runway stunt

    • Marc Jacobs’ comeback in New York
    • The rise of fashion watch parties bringing fans into the shows
    • Why tech billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg are suddenly sitting front row
    • The best trends and the weirdest trends of the season
    • What Chanel’s new era could mean for fashion

    They also talk about how fashion shows—and fashion media—are changing as creators, newsletters, and independent platforms reshape the industry.

    Part two of the Fashion Month Awards is available to Back Row Premium subscribers. Sign up at BackRow.net to get newsletter access and more exclusive fashion reporting included with your subscription, or in Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

    Chapters:

    00:00 — Introducing Dana Thomas and the Fashion Month awards

    01:25 — Is fashion entering a new generational era?
    04:10 — The shift from magazines to creators and newsletters
    06:40 — Loudest viral stunt: Prada’s layered runway trick
    10:15 — Fashion watch parties and opening shows to the public
    15:35 — Why fashion shows might become spectator events
    20:55 — Sleeper hit of the season
    24:30 — Most awkward front row celebrity
    28:00 — Tech billionaires invade fashion week
    31:50 — Hardest-working front row celebrity
    34:20 — Best trend of the season
    36:40 — Weirdest trend: the return of tails

    Links and Resources:

    Amy Odell - Instagram

    Back Row newsletter
    Dana Thomas
    Instagram
    Deluxe (book)
    Gods & Kings (book)
    Fashionopolis (book)
    Style Files (newsletter)
    Credits:
    Produced by Amy Odell. Audio editing by Joyce Ciesel, video by Jonathan Voytko.

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    43 min

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